If any Notion manager is reading this: Please stop spending endless dollars on youtube stars and affiliate marketing. Almost every Youtube star that has a channel on productivity (Thomas Frank, Ali Abdaal and a dozen others) makes paid videos about Notion. By doing that you don't get organic growth, and obviously your platform cannot handle all the new users. Whenever I try to link a page to another by hitting `@` sign, I wait literally seconds until I get recommendations. That's why I switched my writing projects to Roam and other alternatives and use Notion only for task- and project management.
Notion Acquires Automate.io
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#32Having a team in a different timezone from the main cluster of office timezones can be a win for ops-related activities, but I've found as an employee it risks work-life balance because people want real-time help (example: UTC+8 workers asking questions to UTC-8 workers). I've explored switching to a smaller company like Notion, but it seems offices everywhere is becoming the norm, so it's difficult to find roles tha…
Perhaps a remote-based company, like Gitlab, would be preferable for you? You get the global distribution while, I imagine, also having the respect to work hours since the company started with that distributed structure.
I can see remote-based companies becoming more of the norm, especially post-pandemic, rather than multiple-location startups/corporations.
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#33I didn’t realize how much Stockholm Syndrome I had with Confluence until we switched to using Notion for our game design documents. It’s fast and responsive, which somehow in 2021 Atlassian still hasn’t figured out how to replicate with any of their products.
Confluence is too often used in use cases it was not design for. That includes being used by companies with less 50 people. This probably contributes to its criticisms. But Confluence will almost always beat Notion when the company reach more than 150 people. > 150 employees : Confluence clear winner
How confluence wins when you have more employees? I find it pretty bloated and outdated. Same for Jira.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Confluence is too often used in use cases it was not design for. That includes being used by companies with less 50 people. This probably contributes to its criticisms. But Confluence will almost always beat Notion when the company reach more than 150 people. > 150 employees : Confluence clear winner
How confluence wins when you have more employees? I find it pretty bloated and outdated. Same for Jira.
By being better than the competition. And in this specific case by having no competitors ( see other comment, they are different products)
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#35I really can't understand where Notion is going. They come from b2c, made b2c free pivoted to b2b smb and started saying more and more that they are a b2b enterprise company (even though their vision is not really compatible with that). And now they buy a company which is clearly in the b2b smb/b2c space. Confused
No idea, been happy with joplin app to be honest for personal note making. Simple enough and captures most use-cases cases. Just not as elegant as notion, but optionality is great
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#36You could always tell when a company switch their priority from B2C to B2B. Notion felt different when it was first released but in the last few years new competitors were able to replicate what they've done and make it better and faster (e.g. Craft) while notion focused their energy on teams/enterprise features.
When a productivity app raises $50m at a >$2b valuation, they have to focus on very large teams / enterprise.
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#37If any Notion manager is reading this: Please stop spending endless dollars on youtube stars and affiliate marketing. Almost every Youtube star that has a channel on productivity (Thomas Frank, Ali Abdaal and a dozen others) makes paid videos about Notion. By doing that you don't get organic growth, and obviously your platform cannot handle all the new users. Whenever I try to link a page to another by hitting `@` si…
without seeing numbers you don’t know whether it’s good or not for them, it’s possible that they get plenty of growth through these channels
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#38You could always tell when a company switch their priority from B2C to B2B. Notion felt different when it was first released but in the last few years new competitors were able to replicate what they've done and make it better and faster (e.g. Craft) while notion focused their energy on teams/enterprise features.
b2b is where the money is so no wonder
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#39If any Notion manager is reading this: Please stop spending endless dollars on youtube stars and affiliate marketing. Almost every Youtube star that has a channel on productivity (Thomas Frank, Ali Abdaal and a dozen others) makes paid videos about Notion. By doing that you don't get organic growth, and obviously your platform cannot handle all the new users. Whenever I try to link a page to another by hitting `@` si…
without seeing numbers you don’t know whether it’s good or not for them, it’s possible that they get plenty of growth through these channels
At what cost? If growth means the platform cannot handle the traffic properly, you’ll loose users.
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#40If any Notion manager is reading this: Please stop spending endless dollars on youtube stars and affiliate marketing. Almost every Youtube star that has a channel on productivity (Thomas Frank, Ali Abdaal and a dozen others) makes paid videos about Notion. By doing that you don't get organic growth, and obviously your platform cannot handle all the new users. Whenever I try to link a page to another by hitting `@` si…
without seeing numbers you don’t know whether it’s good or not for them, it’s possible that they get plenty of growth through these channels
I think the point about performance seems relevant in my experience.
This is a problem Slite seems to be facing as well. We used both for a while and actually gave their teams a lot of feedback. They were very grateful and communicated well, but moved very slowly and performance decreased quite a bit over time. We ended up focusing most of our planning/note taking/scheduling efforts in Linear instead. Much, much different but it works well enough while remaining extremely speedy and productive. I do miss a lot of what documents had to offer our team. I don't miss fiddling around with slow documents which didn't offer all of what we needed (and might never offer it).
I'm not sure why but most document-based apps like this seem to develop terrible performance. I suspect it's genuinely a difficult problem; I don't think I can 'make Notion in a weekend' by any means, or Slite for that matter. I trust they're doing their best.
I also know these tools suit some teams incredibly well, too.