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20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

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Post by O5vYtytb »

fma wrote: post #111
noetic_techy wrote: post #47

I'll take it a step further. We need a total paradigm redesign of airports. Imagine and airport designed to the point where you can literally drive up (or be dropped by an autonomous vehicle) 10 minutes before your flight, Throw your luggage onto a belt where a robot auto tags it based on your a facial recognition algorithm, and walk through an unobtrusive security point that's totally AI driven, and walk direct to y…

This would really only apply for fights where I'm checking in luggage...international flights, for example. I wouldn't mind a feature where I can drop off my luggage somewhere near my house the day before my flight and it gets tagged, bulked transferred and inspected at the airport. This would allow me to straight to the gate and not need to check in large luggage or fumble with luggage while rushing for a flight. Th…

No thanks. Airlines seem to lose enough baggage already, I wouldn't trust them with another major logistics project.

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Post by kleiba »

quelsolaar wrote: post #407

I used to think security theater (like taking off your shoes) was the dumbest thing ever. Then I realized that Terrorism is "Insecurity theater". Its designed to make you feel unsafe. It is statistically not at likely to hurt you, and the people who do it are rare, you but its designed to scare you in to thinking you are under some massive threat by an army of people who can and do strike at anytime. Its psychologica…

That's exactly why it is called "terror-ism".

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Post by mschuster91 »

GDC7 wrote: post #389
mschuster91 wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is extraordinarily difficult to kill or maim people on land using a ship as a weapon - it will simply run aground, and there are guides aboard on ships big enough to cause damage when they are near the shore, as an additional defensive measure against incompetence and hijackings (insert obligatory Ever Given meme here). For trains, the situation is similar. Even if you manage to bomb a train, it's unlikely to caus…

Again you are you writing off the 300 people on a train and the 4000 aboard a cruise ship.

I'm not writing anyone off, I'm only stating the fact that it is virtually impossible to use ships and trains for terrorist purposes.

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Post by gregmac »

fouc wrote: post #233
NikolaNovak wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"My biggest challenge over the years was remembering what to do in each place as the security people at the airports had a tendency to get upset if you didn't do it their preferred way." It can differ from airport to airport. I traveled from Ottawa to Toronto often enough for it to be mindless but differences between two national airports in same province of same country on same airline still caught me if I went too…

I'd stick with the more conservative measure, taking the tablet out all the time, even if it might not have been required. Also I wouldn't bother verbally responding if they ask me to do something, I'd just do it and keep my lips sealed.

I've been yelled at for taking out things besides a laptop, including a tablet with a keyboard case.

I'm not even clear what the issue was; it was just a general "don't take your tablet out!!" as if it was an obvious rule that anyone with common-sense would understand, and clearly I was a fool the agent had no time for.

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Post by javert »

duxup wrote: post #222

So much security that not sense. I attend college football games. Everyone goes through security. Outside security we pack up in masses of humanity outside the gates waiting to get through the inevitably slow security. It would be far more effective to do something at the gates dude to the density of humanity there where there is no security ... than in the stadium where people are actually more spread out. If someon…

> What are we doing this for?

The "Homeland Security" apparatus is hungry and must grow.

It's about jobs, power, and money for these bureaucrats.

The "Homeland Security" apparatus is the most powerful political force in America, and is more dominant than either political party.

Another term for this is the police-military-industrial complex.

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Post by bradstewart »

q1w2 wrote: post #368
u801e wrote: post #364

After the number of deaths and economic impact that resulted from the pandemic, I would be perfectly fine if we completely eliminated any type of security check associated with air travel. I would rather air travel be much like traveling by train, bus, or taxi instead of what it is now.

How would you eliminate the risk of hijackings?

Reinforced cockpit doors with strict policies in place for when the pilots can open it, which is what we do now (in the U.S. at least) even with all of the TSA stuff.

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Post by kleiba »

alexfromapex wrote: post #14

I try not to fly and this is one of the major reasons I find flying so annoying. I've been through airports where they just use bomb sniffing dogs, why can't that be the norm?

In most airports outside the US you go through the security checks without having to take your shoes off.

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Post by hourislate »

tawaysdfas4 wrote: post #259
hourislate wrote: post #181

WE should all be grateful they still allow us to wear our underwear while going through these security check points. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar_Farouk_Abdulmutallab Most of this screening is to avoid profiling. It would be considered politically not correct if we were to just screen Muslims so Grand Pa who received the Medal of Honor in WWII, has to be stripped searched after they get him out of the wheel cha…

Ummm yeah, so guys like these can get into the airport? https://youtu.be/NWNyxDUSriA?t=40 This just happened last week. It probably happens every week. Since the attacker is white, we dont classify it as terror. If the person were Muslim, he'd be in prison already. Firstly, we already profile Muslims extensively. Secondly, a non Muslim person with guns, usually motivated by GOP/church/nation regularly commits atrocit…

Ummm, there is a big difference between raging and trying to blow up an aircraft.

If the 911 bombers started fist fights in the airport lobby instead of hijacking airplanes, I'm sure we wouldn't be living with the heighten security apparatus we have today. Can you list the race or religion of all the terrorists who tried to bring down an aircraft 911 to present day, just curious? I think you're the apologist in this case.

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