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Re: Notion Acquires Automate.io

#11

Post by tmpz22 »

hesdeadjim wrote: post #5

I didn’t realize how much Stockholm Syndrome I had with Confluence until we switched to using Notion for our game design documents. It’s fast and responsive, which somehow in 2021 Atlassian still hasn’t figured out how to replicate with any of their products.

> It’s fast and responsive

What parts of notion are you claiming are fast and responsive?

In my experience using the web app is very slow, and search is monstrously slow. We still use it but slowness is our chief complaint for the platform.

Re: Notion Acquires Automate.io

#12

Post by cjlm »

polote wrote: post #10
hesdeadjim wrote: post #5

I didn’t realize how much Stockholm Syndrome I had with Confluence until we switched to using Notion for our game design documents. It’s fast and responsive, which somehow in 2021 Atlassian still hasn’t figured out how to replicate with any of their products.

Confluence is too often used in use cases it was not design for. That includes being used by companies with less 50 people. This probably contributes to its criticisms. But Confluence will almost always beat Notion when the company reach more than 150 people. > 150 employees : Confluence clear winner

is there a magical tool for the 100 <= employee <= 150 gap?

Re: Notion Acquires Automate.io

#13

Post by Spivak »

tmpz22 wrote: post #11
hesdeadjim wrote: post #5

I didn’t realize how much Stockholm Syndrome I had with Confluence until we switched to using Notion for our game design documents. It’s fast and responsive, which somehow in 2021 Atlassian still hasn’t figured out how to replicate with any of their products.

> It’s fast and responsive What parts of notion are you claiming are fast and responsive? In my experience using the web app is very slow, and search is monstrously slow. We still use it but slowness is our chief complaint for the platform.

If all you know is JIRA then Notion feels like a breath of fresh air. Like it's not fast, but I never really expected blinding speed since Notion pages are so dynamic. But it's also not JIRA's click on something then wait a few seconds for the UI to catch up on a many thousand dollar laptop.

Re: Notion Acquires Automate.io

#14

Post by davidjgraph »

Seems like overkill to get the integrations into a single product.

Surely, buy 25% shares and seat on the board. Make a contract that Notion integrations are advertised first and everything else is encouraged to work with it.

That way automate still has a larger target market and provides a channel into Notion sales.

This kills automate's growth. I wonder what the price tag was.

Re: Notion Acquires Automate.io

#15

Post by packetlost »

tmpz22 wrote: post #11
hesdeadjim wrote: post #5

I didn’t realize how much Stockholm Syndrome I had with Confluence until we switched to using Notion for our game design documents. It’s fast and responsive, which somehow in 2021 Atlassian still hasn’t figured out how to replicate with any of their products.

> It’s fast and responsive What parts of notion are you claiming are fast and responsive? In my experience using the web app is very slow, and search is monstrously slow. We still use it but slowness is our chief complaint for the platform.

Switching pages and search are infuriatingly slow on Notion. I still love the rest of it, but my god switch to using a local cache for searching or something please

Re: Notion Acquires Automate.io

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Post by 88913527 »

Having a team in a different timezone from the main cluster of office timezones can be a win for ops-related activities, but I've found as an employee it risks work-life balance because people want real-time help (example: UTC+8 workers asking questions to UTC-8 workers). I've explored switching to a smaller company like Notion, but it seems offices everywhere is becoming the norm, so it's difficult to find roles that don't require cross-timezone collaboration.

Re: Notion Acquires Automate.io

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Post by WesleyLivesay »

Spivak wrote: post #13
tmpz22 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s fast and responsive What parts of notion are you claiming are fast and responsive? In my experience using the web app is very slow, and search is monstrously slow. We still use it but slowness is our chief complaint for the platform.

If all you know is JIRA then Notion feels like a breath of fresh air. Like it's not fast, but I never really expected blinding speed since Notion pages are so dynamic. But it's also not JIRA's click on something then wait a few seconds for the UI to catch up on a many thousand dollar laptop.

People who have not used a lot of JIRA may not understand that there is "slow" and then there is "JIRA slow" when it comes to webapps.

Re: Notion Acquires Automate.io

#18

Post by nvrspyx »

davidjgraph wrote: post #14

Seems like overkill to get the integrations into a single product. Surely, buy 25% shares and seat on the board. Make a contract that Notion integrations are advertised first and everything else is encouraged to work with it. That way automate still has a larger target market and provides a channel into Notion sales. This kills automate's growth. I wonder what the price tag was.

From Automate.io's announcement [0], rather than Notion's, they will continue to operate independently. It doesn't appear that it's being assimilated to be a Notion-oriented product, but rather a closer relationship between the two while diversifying Notion's business.

I guess time will tell, but I imagine it's safer financially for Notion to let Automate continue operating as it has been while working more closely to bring first-class integrations into Notion and improving Notion's API.

0: https://automate.io/blog/notion-acquires-automateio/

Re: Notion Acquires Automate.io

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Post by falnatsheh »

You could always tell when a company switch their priority from B2C to B2B. Notion felt different when it was first released but in the last few years new competitors were able to replicate what they've done and make it better and faster (e.g. Craft) while notion focused their energy on teams/enterprise features.

Re: Notion Acquires Automate.io

#20

Post by polote »

cjlm wrote: post #12
polote wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Confluence is too often used in use cases it was not design for. That includes being used by companies with less 50 people. This probably contributes to its criticisms. But Confluence will almost always beat Notion when the company reach more than 150 people. > 150 employees : Confluence clear winner

is there a magical tool for the 100 <= employee <= 150 gap?

None that I'm aware of. Thing to understand is that Notion and Confluence are vastly different products.

Notion is more for sharing a set of documents that are often used. And thus create some hierarchy of content without right management or structure. Works well if you are business owner or a team, or a small company. Or if you want to onboard noob users into documenting their work. And Notion is very good at that

Confluence works better to manage a lot of documents, give rights, structure content, organize. Confluence is not very good at it, but this is a difficult task and competitors don't do better

So depending on where you are at, you can pick the one which suits you best. They are others less popular tools than Confluence and Notion but still are in the two categories described above

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