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20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

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Re: 20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

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Post by wffurr »

nemo44x wrote: post #52
alexfromapex wrote: post #14

I try not to fly and this is one of the major reasons I find flying so annoying. I've been through airports where they just use bomb sniffing dogs, why can't that be the norm?

It's a supply issue from what I've read. Most bomb sniffing dogs are sourced from overseas and there's a high demand for them globally. There simply aren't enough dogs that are capable. Even from a litter, there's a chance none of them will qualify after training, much like legit service dogs. We also use a lot of dogs to sniff for drugs.

"We use a lot of dogs to let cops search and seize whatever they want." FTFY

https://reason.com/video/2014/09/16/dog/

https://reason.com/2021/05/13/the-police-dog-who-cried-drugs...

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Post by b112 »

xxxtentachyon wrote: post #148
sandworm101 wrote: post #82

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>> military training/civil service mandatory. >> Basic combat training and paramedic abilities Those are very different things. Not every soldier is taught hand-to-hand combat. Not every civil service volunteer is taught to handle a weapon. And basic first aid training is almost universal already. More lives could probably be saves by everyone being trained in basic mental health and de-escalation techniques.

Among what populations is it near universal? I grew up in an upper-middle class bedroom community, and I only had to get first aid certified in order to be a lifeguard at a local pool. That was just about a decade ago, and I’d be hard-pressed to do anything other than apply a cold compress and perform the Heinrich maneuver now. My father-in-law was a trained physician overseas but became a pharmaceutical researcher w…

I doubt more than 20% of American adults would be useful in a serious casualty situation.

And 99% of those would fear lawsuit.

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Post by baktubi »

lm28469 wrote: post #193
baktubi wrote: post #45

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I think the nation should make military training/civil service mandatory. The reality is that random attacks will happen in random places and everyone needs to be equipped to handle accordingly. Basic combat training and paramedic abilities, disaster recovery and such associated procedures. This would create a tighter bond between citizens and improve communities ability to look after one-another. If everyone handles…

> If everyone handles those situations steadfastly, terror won’t work. If your response to terrorism is a year of forced military training I can assure you the terror already won.

For the record I didn’t say “a year of forced military training.”

What if its a 20 year community involvement?

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Post by switch007 »

JoshTko wrote: post #178
ridaj wrote: post #85

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Except many, many more deaths in the case of Covid, and we don't have, thankfully, a federal Covid Corps to enforce any of the related policies...

4.5 million deaths from Covid so far.

From Covid or with covid (edit: I’m merely asking which stat you’re citing. Source?)? Ie the disease killed them or they tested positive while dying from something else?

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Post by mrmcd »

Just pay the government a $100 bribe^W 'application processing fee' for Precheck or Global Entry, and no more taking off your shoes. Or taking out your laptops or liquids, or having a government employee look you over in the nudie scanner. Also, shorter, faster lines.

But all this is actually necessary and not security theater. We promise.

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Post by aww_dang »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #188
aww_dang wrote: post #122

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I agree the parallels are clear. Both narratives rely on fear and mass hysteria. Putting aside the hot potato of 9/11, we can hopefully discuss the issue of Iraqi WMDs in a less inflammatory way. The mainstream presses never had a reckoning for their role in issuing false rationales for the war in Iraq. Those who believed the propaganda shouted down dissent as "conspiracy nuttery" and anti-Americanism. After the fact…

Part of the problem in the current situation is that there is a ton of anti-science conspiracy nuttery. If you are going to dissent, you need to do so in a way that doesn't get pattern-matched with people who are clearly being irrational.

Was it irrational to call critics of the post 9/11 world anti-American?

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Post by xur17 »

stoolpigeon wrote: post #18

The US is the only place I think I've had to remove shoes for flight security in years. But in Europe taking off a belt is often required while in the US it is not. In Budapest they stopped having us remove laptops from bags a bit ago. My biggest challenge over the years was remembering what to do in each place as the security people at the airports had a tendency to get upset if you didn't do it their preferred way.

> My biggest challenge over the years was remembering what to do in each place as the security people at the airports had a tendency to get upset if you didn't do it their preferred way.

Exactly this. I'm sure to the security people, it feels obvious since it's what they do every day for hours consistently, but I agree that the inconsistency is very frustrating.

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Post by dopamean »

murgindrag wrote: post #36
alexfromapex wrote: post #14

I try not to fly and this is one of the major reasons I find flying so annoying. I've been through airports where they just use bomb sniffing dogs, why can't that be the norm?

Allergies. You end up with a large segment of the population who sneezes a little bit, which is sort of annoying but sort of okay. You end up with a small segment of the population with asthma attacks, anaphylaxis, and other life-threatening conditions. Universal use of dogs would mean that there would be people who simple cannot travel, ever, anywhere beyond driving distance. There's a small war between extremist do…

There's no chance that people with pet allergies are the reason bomb sniffing dogs aren't more widely used.

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Post by ben_w »

trident5000 wrote: post #127
cloche wrote: post #117

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In a suddenly chaotic situation how does the distributed security communicate and know they're on the same side and not treat each other as the enemy?

They teach you this in the course you need to take to concealed carry. If someone is doing massive damage...cornered people in a restaurant and is shooting them one by one. Someone can respond to that. Youre going to hear it and see it. Not every scenario is going to play out perfectly but at least theres mitigation on the table.

If everyone has a gun, then either you teach this skill to everyone including the bad guys[0], or you don’t teach it to everyone and now a lot of normal people with guns are indistinguishable from bad guys with guns.

[0] because if you actually knew they were bad guys before you gave them such training you could stop them before they fire a single shot

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