20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

Post by mupuff1234 » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 2:20 PM UTC

trident5000 wrote: post #70

baktubi wrote: post #45

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I think the nation should make military training/civil service mandatory. The reality is that random attacks will happen in random places and everyone needs to be equipped to handle accordingly. Basic combat training and paramedic abilities, disaster recovery and such associated procedures. This would create a tighter bond between citizens and improve communities ability to look after one-another. If everyone handles…

Im in favor of people concealed carrying for this exact reason...distributed security works better than slow centralized security and a vulnerable public. Obviously this doesnt work for a plane though. Fully expect to get downvoted for this on HN...because its HN.

Post by atatatat » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 2:21 PM UTC

ridaj wrote: post #56

bambax wrote: post #42

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Yes, and this is why crazy pilots suffering from depression can bury their planes in the ground and nobody can do anything about it. 200 people lost their life in the crash of Germanwings 9525 on March 24, 2015, but this is not classified as a terrorist attack so it doesn't really count for anything. However, it is the direct consequence of the so-called security procedures implemented the world over; those 200 peopl…

Source? This is at best an indirect consequence EDIT post downvotes: what I mean is that even without a lock on the cockpit to prevent their copilot from entering, it seems difficult to prevent a determined pilot from crashing a plane.

Post by refactor_master » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 2:21 PM UTC

monkeynotes wrote: post #123

Godel_unicode wrote: post #93

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This lead directly to the rule that nobody can be alone in the cockpit. If you're in the front of the plane when a pilot needs to use the toilet you'll see the dance; service cart blocks the aisle, flight attendant goes into the cockpit, then one pilot comes out.

To me this sounds like a risk for service cart/flight attendant/exiting pilot being overcome and entry gained to the cockpit. Even better a hijacker knows exactly when the opportunity arises as the service cart will be moved into place indicating the dance is about to start. Furthermore, what's to stop suicide pilot murdering co-pilot behind a locked door?

Post by mgoetzke » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 2:21 PM UTC

monkeynotes wrote: post #123

Godel_unicode wrote: post #93

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This lead directly to the rule that nobody can be alone in the cockpit. If you're in the front of the plane when a pilot needs to use the toilet you'll see the dance; service cart blocks the aisle, flight attendant goes into the cockpit, then one pilot comes out.

To me this sounds like a risk for service cart/flight attendant/exiting pilot being overcome and entry gained to the cockpit. Even better a hijacker knows exactly when the opportunity arises as the service cart will be moved into place indicating the dance is about to start. Furthermore, what's to stop suicide pilot murdering co-pilot behind a locked door?

Post by ceejayoz » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 2:22 PM UTC

ctrlp wrote: post #160

ceejayoz wrote: post #114

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Go to a local school board meeting on masks and be disabused of this notion fairly quickly. edit: Votes on this one have been a wild ride.

Are you suggesting that people who disagree on masking children are radicals comparable to jihadi terrorists?