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Re: Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate

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Post by satronaut »

tikwidd wrote: post #431
fallous wrote: post #401

I've lived to see this kind of thing enacted in a good portion of the Anglosphere and my visceral reaction is to engage in a combination of civil disobedience and a determination to undermine every overstep made. With regards to things like the Aussie requirement for phone check-ins every 15 minutes or they will deploy police to follow up and confirm your location, turn off the phone and make them eat the cost of hav…

You seem to be referring to the South Australia Home Quarantine app [1]. There has been a lot of misinformation circulating about this app recently. I'd just like to clear up some things: The app only applies to people that need to quarantine, not the general population. The app allows people who are required to isolate to opt to do their isolation at home, rather than stay at a quarantine facility. Nobody is being f…

what prohibits them from quarantining at home in the first place? Is there a difference between not leaving my room for 2 weeks (except to use the bathroom) and staying in a hotel for 2 weeks?

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Post by alliao »

SilverRed wrote: post #300
alliao wrote: post #207

CCP is literally cancer on all citizens living in currently free democracy. They show that it's possible to keep a huge population under control with current tools and technology. Our politicians show public disdain, but fuck are they being seduced. And Australia is just stepping into it step by step while asking it's citizens to trust the government because they seem to be at odds with CCP publicly. As someone who l…

The difference is the CCP is more aligned with the best interests of the country (not so much as individuals but as a whole) while Australian politicians are only interested in their own profits and those of their friends.

CCP recently published a list of demands of the US which shows what they care about.. and getting travel visas and lifting financial bans for their elite was like number 1. So I'd hardly argue that's the best interest of their country really...

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3142757/ch...

Re: Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate

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Post by satronaut »

Nursie wrote: post #573
sandworm101 wrote: post #547

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>> rather than stay at a quarantine facility. Nobody is being forced to use the app. Download the app or we send you to a camp? That isn't much of a choice. I'd say it is about as non-choice as possible while still meeting the literal definition.

I'll say what I said on the other thread - If you want to present an argument against quarantine being needed or warranted, please go ahead. Checking in on the app is the least intrusive of the three options - quarantine under guard (usually in a hotel, like the one I'm in right now), quarantine at home with police visits tio ensure compliance, or quarantine at home checking in to the app once or twice a day. In this…

you forgot number 4, be treated like an adult and just stay home for 2 weeks and not have the government check to see if you're at home like you're on house arrest while not having committed a crime

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Post by pb7 »

BrissyCoder wrote: post #544
cletus wrote: post #298

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While that's an improvement and a welcome one, Sydney (and even Melbourne) seem to still be lagging in cost-of-living terms. But, more importantly, Big Tech senior engineer total comp is rapidly pushing to $US500K+.

> But, more importantly, Big Tech senior engineer total comp is rapidly pushing to $US500K+. Is it really though? I'm looking on glassdoor and it's saying average is $130k with high at $180k. And yes I realise that just salary not total comp.

GlassDoor is like asking your grandma.

levels.fyi is widely known to be accurate.

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Post by foolinaround »

omegabravo wrote: post #555
jlangenauer wrote: post #549

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You're not allowed to leave your state or your country with the permission of some bureaucrat, and you're claiming that you haven't given up any civil rights? I guess no-one had given up their civil rights in East Germany, or the Soviet Union then either.

Always so hyperbolic. The state border controls are for quarantine. In states that have covid under control, that means filling out a form stating you're not sick. Rather sensible requirement during a pandemic The banning of country exit visas is far far more controversial and doesn't have wide spread support. It seems okay as a sensible precaution at the start of the pandemic in order to ensure quarantine places wer…

> Border controls in Australia, are widely popular.

the Nazi treatment of Jews was also widely popular among the Germans at that time.

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Post by satronaut »

chrisseaton wrote: post #692
CrazyPyroLinux wrote: post #686

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Yeah we totlly gave up the New Deal and the military industrial complex...

I think you're possibly confused about what we're talking about here - those weren't restrictions on personal freedoms. A better analogy is blackout laws, which people railed against in the exactly the same way as lockdown laws. But obviously those powers went as soon as possible - literally the day Hitler died in fact.

a blackout law keeps an enemy bomber from dropping a bomb on my house. IMO, if you say to a rational person "keep your blinds down or else the nazi's will drop a bomb on your house" they'll say "gee that sounds like a good idea." While in modern times, if you say "shut down the economy, increase alcoholism, suicides, mental health issues, homelessness, poverty, and inflation to defeat a virus with over a 99% recovery rate that really only effects old and unhealthy people" a rational person would raise their eye brow and say "that sounds suspicious and a great way to cover the fact that the last 12 years of money printing is about to implode"

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Post by wrycoder »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #84
wrycoder wrote: post #58

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If you are saying the Republican Party has spent decades trying to stop black people from voting, that is simply incorrect. It is what the other party’s propaganda would like you to believe. Same with voter suppression.

Southern conservative as Democrats or Republicans like Jesse Helms and Trent Lott were very much in favor of not letting African Americans vote. Who they caucused with later is unrelated. But yes, to say it was Democrats or Republicans would be very technically inaccurate. It isn’t a coincidence that the states that were practicing Jim Crow before are the same states trying to discourage voting today.

The segregationists who set up the Jim Crow laws were Democrats. Gov. George Wallace was a Democrat.

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Post by elzbardico »

Nursie wrote: post #573
sandworm101 wrote: post #547

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> rather than stay at a quarantine facility. Nobody is being forced to use the app. Download the app or we send you to a camp? That isn't much of a choice. I'd say it is about as non-choice as possible while still meeting the literal definition.

I'll say what I said on the other thread - If you want to present an argument against quarantine being needed or warranted, please go ahead. Checking in on the app is the least intrusive of the three options - quarantine under guard (usually in a hotel, like the one I'm in right now), quarantine at home with police visits tio ensure compliance, or quarantine at home checking in to the app once or twice a day. In this…

For a 0.03 IFR?

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Post by CountDrewku »

Nursie wrote: post #573
sandworm101 wrote: post #547

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> rather than stay at a quarantine facility. Nobody is being forced to use the app. Download the app or we send you to a camp? That isn't much of a choice. I'd say it is about as non-choice as possible while still meeting the literal definition.

I'll say what I said on the other thread - If you want to present an argument against quarantine being needed or warranted, please go ahead. Checking in on the app is the least intrusive of the three options - quarantine under guard (usually in a hotel, like the one I'm in right now), quarantine at home with police visits tio ensure compliance, or quarantine at home checking in to the app once or twice a day. In this…

The "least" intrusive option is still a massive government overreach. They love doing this. We could just let you go back to normal if you only show us your papers please.

This a is a mind game they're playing. Show you all the horrible things they could mandate to make the less horrible one sound better.

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