Ha, this looks great, the list of goals seems really similar to a list I came up with a couple years ago for what I’d consider optimal for a writing device, too: http://www.willett.io/posts/device/ So, I’m of course in total agreement, and interested! Is there any place we can sign up for some kind of mailing list?
PaperTerm Concept, An e-paper remote terminal device
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds like a neat project. Yes, partial refreshes help a lot, lot, lot! Battery life might end up becoming a problem if you intend for it to run on batteries. Compared to PaperTerm or smartphones, a Pi uses a lot of juice, but it is great for proof-of-concept!
Thanks! As you say, the Pi does chew up quite a bit of the battery life, but I hope that usage should last for at least a day or two. I plan to use a 3,000 mAh battery with the thing, which seems to be quite a lot — my Pixel 4 has 2,800 mAh _and_ that doesn't even have an eInk display! For the purposes of my project, I'm not really focused on trying to make the device extremely thin either. Something relatively chunk…
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#53It wa a nice toy that might have become a good tool over time. Good luck! Here's my lousy code: https://github.com/ThePaperTop
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#54Oh, hi all! I didn't my project to show up here today! This was just my private notes-to-self I'm using to organize a group to create this thing. These notes haven't been cleaned up to be public yet (near the end it gets particularly messy and the memory map has changed from the state shown on this page), but oh well, it's been found! I will answer any questions you may have. And if you want to help make this, my ema…
What are you going to do about the actual cost of the device? You've already got an e-paper display, but you're also adding a 'laptop' style enclosure, real keyboard, and if you're storing SSH keys, you're really close to running a cut-down Linux system. That's basically a laptop, and you could get the same thing with, you know, a laptop. Have you thought about scaling down the display, keyboard, and enclosure to something palm-top sized?
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#55Oh, hi all! I didn't my project to show up here today! This was just my private notes-to-self I'm using to organize a group to create this thing. These notes haven't been cleaned up to be public yet (near the end it gets particularly messy and the memory map has changed from the state shown on this page), but oh well, it's been found! I will answer any questions you may have. And if you want to help make this, my ema…
I realize this might simply put me into the "not target demographic" group, but what makes this so useful as a terminal, that a laptop won't do? I could understand the no-distraction writing i.e. word processor use-case that some people think E-Ink would be good for, but that doesn't appear in your list of possible applications either.
Exactly because it is limited in it’s application.
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#56Nooooooooo! It's so horrible. There are a multitude of similarly sized bitmap fonts that bring back much nicer memories.
IBM DOS ISO8 and ISO9, for instance: https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/fontlist/font?ibm_dos_... https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/fontlist/font?ibm_dos_...
The Siemens PC-D https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/fontlist/font?siemens_...
NEC APC3 8x16 https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/fontlist/font?nec_apc3...
Cordata PPC-400 (one of my all-time favorites) https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/fontlist/font?cordata_...
Missing from this website is the Epson QX-10 and QX-16: https://i.imgur.com/WDrTBpC.png
Ping me if you want help with these.
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#57Oh, hi all! I didn't my project to show up here today! This was just my private notes-to-self I'm using to organize a group to create this thing. These notes haven't been cleaned up to be public yet (near the end it gets particularly messy and the memory map has changed from the state shown on this page), but oh well, it's been found! I will answer any questions you may have. And if you want to help make this, my ema…
(I'm OP, sorry for unsolicitedly posting your notes to HN. I guess I am just a bit too excited for this)
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#58> Also for simplicity of P0, the exact font used is the 14-line EGA font with the last line duplicated to the 15th-line. Nooooooooo! It's so horrible. There are a multitude of similarly sized bitmap fonts that bring back much nicer memories. IBM DOS ISO8 and ISO9, for instance: https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/fontlist/font?ibm_dos_... https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/fontlist/font?ibm_dos_... The Siemens P…
EDIT: I see you added more detail. Yes, I will definitely ping you. Thanks!
Re: PaperTerm Concept, An e-paper remote terminal device
#59Oh, hi all! I didn't my project to show up here today! This was just my private notes-to-self I'm using to organize a group to create this thing. These notes haven't been cleaned up to be public yet (near the end it gets particularly messy and the memory map has changed from the state shown on this page), but oh well, it's been found! I will answer any questions you may have. And if you want to help make this, my ema…
I built something similar: https://bbenchoff.github.io/pages/dumb.html What are you going to do about the actual cost of the device? You've already got an e-paper display, but you're also adding a 'laptop' style enclosure, real keyboard, and if you're storing SSH keys, you're really close to running a cut-down Linux system. That's basically a laptop, and you could get the same thing with, you know, a laptop. Have you…
No, I think the smaller size is probably a non-starter for the intended audience. This is meant to be a tool that a lot of these folks are using for hours and hours a day so overall typing and reading experience is paramount, and meant to be a "selling" point.
Cost-wise, yes--we're still grappling with costs of the e-ink screen. It's the by far the largest expense in the unit. We've got a good lead that I unfortunately can't talk about at the moment (under NDA).
A cut-down Linux really is overkill for this, and isn't capable of making some of the other specs happen (battery life, availability), at least as far as we've been able to determine. Custom code is unfortunately where we've been forced to go.