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Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Post by cguess »

ccleve wrote: post #113
cguess wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are Republicans suing over a Democratic primary? I'm doubting good faith. Also this seems to be civil case, not a criminal one, so I'm not sure how it'd make anything illegal?

"Illegal" means contrary to the law. Plenty of things that are illegal but carry no criminal penalties. As a practical matter, the court would rule that sham candidates are impermissible, and then their opponents would have an opportunity to remove them from the ballot via a civil lawsuit, or seek sanctions again whoever put them up, or collect civil damages, or in an extreme case overturn an election altogether.

This more seems like the Republicans are trying to tar a democratic candidate who will definitely win with some very slight of hand statements about "hispanics." Most likely it seems like there were two other people with historically-hispanic last names who also entered the election. Chicago is pretty damn hispanic if you haven't been there before and Chicago Democratic politics are especially contentious and nasty. This feels like a rat-f** job

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Post by alentist »

a-priori wrote: post #4

This reminds me of the 2019 Canadian federal election. There was a new party in that election led by a man named Maxime Bernier called the People's Party. They're a far-right populist party and generally awful. Bernier himself was running in Beauce, Quebec, which he had represented through the Conservative party since 2006 before he had created the People's Party. But then the Rhinoceros Party, a satirical political…

> There was a new party in that election led by a man named Maxime Bernier called the People's Party. They're a far-right populist party and generally awful.

Describing the PPC as "far-right" is a good way to out yourself as far-left.

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Post by mcrae »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #111
drocer88 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

John F. Kennedy used this trick: https://www.politico.com/gallery/2012/06/16-worst-political-... Note the two "Joseph Russo" entries on the ballot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_history_of_John_F._K...

Barack Obama won his first election using a different procedural trick — he looked up his three opponents' ballot petitions, and challenged enough of the signatures on the petitions that they were all delisted.

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Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Post by a-priori »

alentist wrote: post #162
a-priori wrote: post #4

This reminds me of the 2019 Canadian federal election. There was a new party in that election led by a man named Maxime Bernier called the People's Party. They're a far-right populist party and generally awful. Bernier himself was running in Beauce, Quebec, which he had represented through the Conservative party since 2006 before he had created the People's Party. But then the Rhinoceros Party, a satirical political…

> There was a new party in that election led by a man named Maxime Bernier called the People's Party. They're a far-right populist party and generally awful. Describing the PPC as "far-right" is a good way to out yourself as far-left.

It’s not much of an “outing” to reveal that I believe the Canada they want is antithetical to my belief system, and that I find the party thoroughly disgusting and worthy of mockery.

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Post by alentist »

a-priori wrote: post #164
alentist wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There was a new party in that election led by a man named Maxime Bernier called the People's Party. They're a far-right populist party and generally awful. Describing the PPC as "far-right" is a good way to out yourself as far-left.

It’s not much of an “outing” to reveal that I believe the Canada they want is antithetical to my belief system, and that I find the party thoroughly disgusting and worthy of mockery.

Again, to describe the PPC as "far-right" is to make a mockery of reality and out yourself as far-left. It doesn't matter if you think they're "antithetical to your belief system".

Or are you one of those childish people who throw around "far-right" as a synonym for "anything I don't like"?

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Post by sireat »

jgilias wrote: post #40
sireat wrote: post #7

This is endemic in eastern European politics. It is especially prevalent among parties oriented towards Russian speaking populace in the Baltics. I've never seen it work, but maybe there is a bit of Ross Perot(not that Clinton/Bush looked like Perot) effect. PS it is hilarious that when I made a comment I didn't realize this could be taken as a what-aboutism comment. So on a meta level I should be more lenient when p…

Do you have any sources? I'm from the Baltics and I've never ever heard of anything similar going on in any of the three countries.

Every election in Latvia if you check the Russian oriented ballots you will find some familiar last names in unexpected fringe parties.

Unused ballots are good for bathroom reading :)

When I say fringe these parties get less than 1% and are rarely in the news. So the tactic is not working.

Here is just one example from 2010 elections. https://www.cvk.lv/cgi-bin/wdbcgiw/base/komisijas2010.CVKAND...

Obviously that guy is not the Russian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxim_Galkin

It would be an interesting analysis to see if notable names appear more often as candidates and do they draw more plus(FOR) signs than regular candidates.

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Post by noneeeed »

gogobandang wrote: post #80
noneeeed wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, not from the US so I might be missing something, but the link you posted was about someone from the Democrats. Did your friend switch parties after that election (I wouldn't be surprised if that kind of thing had happened)?

It's a marriage of convenience. Until Madigan is indicted by the FBI (probably happening in the next 12mos, his underlings are helping the FBI now), if you are a (D) on his bad side, your choices are to exit Chicago politics or switch parties.

Right, that makes sense. Also, that sucks. Capital "P" politics really is a grubby business.

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Post by jgilias »

sireat wrote: post #167
jgilias wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any sources? I'm from the Baltics and I've never ever heard of anything similar going on in any of the three countries.

Every election in Latvia if you check the Russian oriented ballots you will find some familiar last names in unexpected fringe parties. Unused ballots are good for bathroom reading :) When I say fringe these parties get less than 1% and are rarely in the news. So the tactic is not working. Here is just one example from 2010 elections. https://www.cvk.lv/cgi-bin/wdbcgiw/base/komisijas2010.CVKAND... Obviously that guy…

Is there any indication that 'Maksims Galkins' has changed his name?

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Post by ABoredBirb »

sireat wrote: post #167
jgilias wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any sources? I'm from the Baltics and I've never ever heard of anything similar going on in any of the three countries.

Every election in Latvia if you check the Russian oriented ballots you will find some familiar last names in unexpected fringe parties. Unused ballots are good for bathroom reading :) When I say fringe these parties get less than 1% and are rarely in the news. So the tactic is not working. Here is just one example from 2010 elections. https://www.cvk.lv/cgi-bin/wdbcgiw/base/komisijas2010.CVKAND... Obviously that guy…

That's not the same thing at all. That is just someone with the same name as some celeb. The celeb is not running in the elections. What is discussed in the article are fake candidates with the same (changed) name (and appearance) as an actual candidate, in order to confuse voters and leech votes away from the actual candidate.
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