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The SEC has told us it wants to sue us over Lend. We don’t know why

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Re: The SEC has told us it wants to sue us over Lend. We don’t know why

#121
post #47

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How about the SEC has repeatedly refused to prosecute for X in the past showing they, like us and multiple other parties doing business in this space, do not believe X is a crime. Given they've shown they don't think it's a crime and we and we agree and also don't think X is as crime, we have no idea why they're prosecuting us? I dunno, seems like an obvious interpretation but I could be totally missing it. I could c…

Have they refused to prosecute X or have they not gotten around to prosecuting X? Gotta start somewhere and the statute of limitations is ticking so... The wheels of justice turn slow but they generally don't stop when they get to ya just because there's a big line of folks behind ya. Unless either the statute has expired or the SEC issues a written determination that you're in the clear you're not in the clear. And…

yeah sure.

Or you know the SEC is allowed to announce /why/ they are prosecuting. And why they are prosecuting a particular alleged transgressor first as opposed to some other having not done so until now. Seems like a reasonable thing to do to me?

Generally ".. a written determination you're in the clear" is the opposite to how law is kind of meant to work. I haven't got a written determination that I'm not infringing basically any law that I'm aware of and I do _NOT_ expect to be prosecuted for anything either. I genuinely don't understand all the laws I'm subject to in making money to put food on the table, nobody does. I do know that I'm doing things other people do and nobody is getting prosecuted for it. I have other heuristics that I use for this. And so do you, I'm guessing. The great thing is if I get prosecuted I can hire a lawyer and they don't know for sure either and will hedge every statement they make as a part of legal advice about everything while disagreeing with every other lawyer. It's an issue. I don't have a solution for it.

Re: The SEC has told us it wants to sue us over Lend. We don’t know why

#122

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It's also like saying - I can't believe they're not letting us operate an Atlantic Slave Trade - because of some supreme court cases from decades ago. Why should the decades matter? Supreme court cases matter...

That's a very poor analogy. It's inflammatory and disrespectful to put a trivial disagreement over investment classification on the same footing as the slave trade, and it's not factual either. Slave trade was not abolished by the Supreme Court, but by an act of Congress [0] and later by presidential decree [1]. [0] https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/congress-abolish... [1] Emancipation Proclamation

Nit: the Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in states rebelling against the union. Slavery was perfectly legal in Kentucky until December 18, 1865.

Re: The SEC has told us it wants to sue us over Lend. We don’t know why

#123
post #11

Seems to be gone from the internet. Can't find it in archive.today or archive.org either. reddit comment thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/pk2rjl/coin... Which points to a tweet thread from Brian Armstrong of Coinbase that is still there for now.... https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/14354409980546539... unrolled (and probably will still be there even if tweets deleted?) https://threadr…

Someone snagged an image. https://www.ilbe.com/view/11365594888

https://medium.com/@coinbaseblog?p=a3a1b6507009

blog.coinbase.com is gone but post is still up on medium. Maybe we DDOS'd it?

Re: The SEC has told us it wants to sue us over Lend. We don’t know why

#124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a very poor analogy. It's inflammatory and disrespectful to put a trivial disagreement over investment classification on the same footing as the slave trade, and it's not factual either. Slave trade was not abolished by the Supreme Court, but by an act of Congress [0] and later by presidential decree [1]. [0] https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/congress-abolish... [1] Emancipation Proclamation

Nit: the Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in states rebelling against the union. Slavery was perfectly legal in Kentucky until December 18, 1865.

That is just a nit, as you say. The point is that the Supreme Court had nothing to do with ending the slave trade.

Re: The SEC has told us it wants to sue us over Lend. We don’t know why

#125
post #121

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Have they refused to prosecute X or have they not gotten around to prosecuting X? Gotta start somewhere and the statute of limitations is ticking so... The wheels of justice turn slow but they generally don't stop when they get to ya just because there's a big line of folks behind ya. Unless either the statute has expired or the SEC issues a written determination that you're in the clear you're not in the clear. And…

yeah sure. Or you know the SEC is allowed to announce /why/ they are prosecuting. And why they are prosecuting a particular alleged transgressor first as opposed to some other having not done so until now. Seems like a reasonable thing to do to me? Generally ".. a written determination you're in the clear" is the opposite to how law is kind of meant to work. I haven't got a written determination that I'm not infringi…

> Or you know the SEC is allowed to announce /why/ they are prosecuting.

They are, but they don't have to since the law is spelled out.

> And why they are prosecuting a particular alleged transgressor first as opposed to some other having not done so until now.

Gotta start somewhere, and the fact someone else is breaking the law isn't a defense. If it was any two people doing the same crime couldn't ever be charged right? haha.

> I haven't got a written determination that I'm not infringing basically any law that I'm aware of and I do _NOT_ expect to be prosecuted for anything either.

Totally, but the Howey test has been the law of the land for what 70 years? It's prettttty obvious that this is in fact a security. The SEC agrees. Coinbase does not. Ergo, it's up to the judge to decide. This is about as black and white as the rule of law thing gets.

Re: The SEC has told us it wants to sue us over Lend. We don’t know why

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post #66
post #2

It looks like the entire blog got deleted? https://blog.coinbase.com/

It opens on Medium app for me and I can see the post just fine.

Is the Medium app caching?

(And it does a redirect to medium.com not an error message, perhaps the Medium app doesn't have the feature of redirection and the blog post is still there, can't curl b/c of Cloudflare)

Re: The SEC has told us it wants to sue us over Lend. We don’t know why

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also like saying - I can't believe they're not letting us operate an Atlantic Slave Trade - because of some supreme court cases from decades ago. Why should the decades matter? Supreme court cases matter...

That's a very poor analogy. It's inflammatory and disrespectful to put a trivial disagreement over investment classification on the same footing as the slave trade, and it's not factual either. Slave trade was not abolished by the Supreme Court, but by an act of Congress [0] and later by presidential decree [1]. [0] https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/congress-abolish... [1] Emancipation Proclamation

Reductio ad absurdum is a valid argument.
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