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Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate

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Post by rapind »

apatheticonion wrote: post #272
siquick wrote: post #37

I've lived in Australia for 10 years and really considering my familys future in this country. We are sleep-walking towards a very average future. An undiversified export economy, out of control house prices, a job-market primarily focused on two cities, a government intent on selling all public assets, very limited political interest in positive climate policies. The latter is simply addressed with "technology will…

Moved to Sydney from New Zealand and have been here for 6 years. I do like it here compared to New Zealand but I think I would move elsewhere given the chance. The internet here is an actual joke, the politics are biased towards conservatism, don't think about owning an electric car but... the pay is quite good and it's a nice place to go out. Lots of nature and you can find nice apartments to rent if you look. New Z…

Hey, this is Canada. We're in a housing bubble. Sorry 'bout that.

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Post by vorpalhex »

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #266
stjohnswarts wrote: post #248

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I don't know dude I just partied all weekend without any issues, no mask, no constraints on where I could go. No mandates. Seems like some places have their ducks in a row. Get vaccinated and live a little bit...

> I don't know dude I just partied all weekend without any issues, no mask, no constraints on where I could go. No mandates. During a pandemic, this is something to cringe at, not celebrate

This is, in some form, the new normal. I'd suggest finding a way to make it work for you.

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Post by bin_bash »

Aerroon wrote: post #225

I'm always kind of surprised by people who move to Australia. It's a country that has had an active policy of censorship on entertainment for a very long time - books, video games, movies. The fact that the populace is okay with such a policy would make me reconsider moving there. I've also read some really questionable things about policies regarding aboriginals in the northern territories. In 2007 the government 't…

Well to be fair the US bans alcohol for native eskimos in the Alaskan bush.

EDIT: I guess in the 1980s the government allowed the villages to make their own decisions to be dry or not: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/is-proh...

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Post by grecy »

x3n0ph3n3 wrote: post #257
grecy wrote: post #168

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If I came into your house at gunpoint and literally took everything you own, would you say I stole your stuff, or that I conquered you?

The difference is that there is currently a government to mediate disagreements between you and I, as well as a shared set of laws.

Are you saying the original inhabitants of Australia didn't have their own form of Government and laws about what people could and could not do?

Or are you just saying ours are better, therefore it's fine to walk all over theirs?

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Post by nunb »

apatheticonion wrote: post #272
siquick wrote: post #37

I've lived in Australia for 10 years and really considering my familys future in this country. We are sleep-walking towards a very average future. An undiversified export economy, out of control house prices, a job-market primarily focused on two cities, a government intent on selling all public assets, very limited political interest in positive climate policies. The latter is simply addressed with "technology will…

Moved to Sydney from New Zealand and have been here for 6 years. I do like it here compared to New Zealand but I think I would move elsewhere given the chance. The internet here is an actual joke, the politics are biased towards conservatism, don't think about owning an electric car but... the pay is quite good and it's a nice place to go out. Lots of nature and you can find nice apartments to rent if you look. New Z…

Not so good with out of control house prices, fueled by safe-haven demand … at least we won’t run out of freshwater as fast as Oz will … still, Mosman is heaps above Kits / Point Grey in my opinion! NYC is really a dump though. West Coast is the best coast! If you’re from NZ you will likely love the areas around Vancouver, Whistler & Victoria BC!

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Post by _carbyau_ »

WalterBright wrote: post #186
layoric wrote: post #159

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Born in AU so bias is to stay, which leads me to push more for political change required to try to address these problems. Most of your 10 years has been under a particularly bad (and honestly corrupt) federal gov. Country has a large state capture problem from largely mining companies but also other special interests that have lobbied and . Anything that might threaten those interests is being pretty heavily targete…

> compulsory voting This always seemed like madness to me. You can force someone to vote, but you cannot force them to vote responsibly. They may just vote "screw you" just for revenge. The right to vote includes the right to abstain from voting when one does not care. Forced voting sounds like a recipe for bad election results. I would expect the same from paying people to vote.

Mandatory voting means it is mostly a logistical exercise.

"You participated in the process."

Like building Ikea furniture, you now think that the process is better and more valid. Less civil unrest that way. Of course, you are still allowed to say whatever you like about how stupid any politician is in any role - even the PM. But you are more likely to accept the authority invested in them by the process when you are part of it.

Thirdly, you can still donkey vote if you are desperate to make your vote meaningless.

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Post by girvo »

fhe wrote: post #245
smcleod wrote: post #174

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Almost 11 years in Melbourne (from NZ) and I couldn't agree more. The 220~ days (and counting) that Melbourne has been in lockdown has certainly worn me down, but even before C19 the political climate, attitude towards technology, cost of housing and the impact of increasing bushfires has taken an enormous toll on the country over the past decade that I've been here.

How would you compare NZ with Australia? What are the big differences you noticed? Thanks.

I'm a Kiwi who's lived in Australia for two thirds of my life.

New Zealand's economy and cost-of-living is markedly weaker and higher than Australia's; the property-is-the-only-investment idea is somehow even worse in NZ, at least lately

The day-to-day life in NZ is lovely though. At least where I'm from in Northland.

Australia and NZ are more similar than they are different, I feel.

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Post by dane-pgp »

sigotirandolas wrote: post #240
nl wrote: post #152

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> It’s not going well, they literally have concentration camps, ask for papers, don’t let you leave your homes, etc. Anyone who thinks this is actually what is happening in Australia is falling for propaganda. > they literally have concentration camps Offshore detention centres for refugees seeking asylum is a stain on Australia that cannot be excused or erased. If you mean the quarantine centres they are finally bui…

I assume the parent was referring to the "five reasons to leave home", as far as I know vaccine passports haven't been implemented in Australia yet.

> vaccine passports haven't been implemented in Australia yet.

The lack of vaccine passports is of little consolation when its citizens have already accepted this:

"The state will text them at random times, and thereafter they will have 15 minutes to take a picture of their face in the location where they are supposed to be. Should they fail, the local police department will be sent to follow up in person."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/pandemic-a...

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Post by parineum »

api wrote: post #215
robbedpeter wrote: post #176

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The internet came about because of the cold war and the attendant arms race. Empires that last were all born in blood and fire and terror, and universally spend more blood to maintain cohesion against the outside. What type of la la fantasy histories have you been reading? Fat happy people maintain the status quo. Hungry desperate people innovate. Anyway. The world wide web is probably what you meant. And yes, univer…

> Hungry desperate people innovate. Nikola Tesla, Thomas Edison, Alan Turing, Albert Einstein, Robert Goddard, Werner von Braun, William Shockley, John von Neumann, ... those just come off the top of my head, I could keep going for pages. Yeah, a bunch of hungry desperate people there. I mean sure, some were deeply flawed or had tragic lives, but that wasn't from being hungry and desperate. They were not poor, and th…

Before their genius was recognized, how were the lives of those people?
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