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Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate

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Re: Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate

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Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.

It ain't all men out there

It’s a quote. One doesn’t typically alter a quote unless it’s unintelligible if not altered in some way.

Re: Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate

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I've lived in Australia for 10 years and really considering my familys future in this country. We are sleep-walking towards a very average future. An undiversified export economy, out of control house prices, a job-market primarily focused on two cities, a government intent on selling all public assets, very limited political interest in positive climate policies. The latter is simply addressed with "technology will…

I’m also here, and quite concerned. I’ve seen how quickly a country can erode (Syria, Ukraine, Hong Kong) and am questioning the future of this country.

What do you mean by "country erode"?

Re: Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate

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"blindly letting the government erode our rights" what else are we supposed to do? how do you stop the government from doing that?

I mean, stop repeatedly voting for blatantly corrupt parties, for one. The current LNP are so actively corrupt with their corporate interests, religious interests, repeated exposed in-house scandals, etc, yet the majority of the population continue to vote for them because they ignore it all and just keep supporting 'their team'. The Labor government tries to suggest that they're different, and end up with their own…

Why do you think that people keep voting for the blatantly corrupt LNP? and why are the other parties above becoming corrupt?

Is it possible that the LNP are constantly in power because they are corrupt?

Re: Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate

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The problem here is a human one, not a governmental one. The government is just doing what humans tend to do: consolidate and protect power. The fact that this doesn’t serve anyone (other than their) interest is really just a side effect of the underlying cause. We should champion this issue and we should fight to keep this kind of thing from happening. But the deeper issue here is one of human nature. How do we buil…

You’re probably romanticising a past that never existed.

What was happening 50 years ago?

The Vietnam War springs to mind.

Australians were being conscripted in to that war by our government.

So I wouldn’t hold that time up as a paragon of responsibilities government.

Re: Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate

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If you're trying to argue that the ACLU is espousing authoritarian causes, I'll have to ask for a citation.

A recent example: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-aclu-prior-to-covid-den...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

> Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court upheld the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws. The Court's decision articulated the view that individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.

> "[r]eal liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own [liberty], whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others."

Re: Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate

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post #37

I've lived in Australia for 10 years and really considering my familys future in this country. We are sleep-walking towards a very average future. An undiversified export economy, out of control house prices, a job-market primarily focused on two cities, a government intent on selling all public assets, very limited political interest in positive climate policies. The latter is simply addressed with "technology will…

You could do the following for almost every response in this particular thread and it would still be accurate:

s/Australian?/US American?/g

Re: Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate

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There is a lot of trust in Australia that their elected officials and the public service / police will do the right thing. These new laws being introduced if used in the spirit they are intended could be good. The continual refusal of the current federal government to introduce a federal crime and misconduct commission as most of the states now have is a disturbing trend. For instance three local councils were placed under administration in my state after the elected leaders were found to be doing illegal things - the classic is the Lord Mayor of Ipswich being found with a suitcase containing $50,000 at an airport, he is now serving a jail term.

So these laws, a refusal to have a watchdog, scaling back of FOI request responses, searching journalists homes by the AFP, are a disturbing trend in the federal arena. Looked at dispassionately you can only assume they're trying to hide something.

Re: Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate

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post #37

I've lived in Australia for 10 years and really considering my familys future in this country. We are sleep-walking towards a very average future. An undiversified export economy, out of control house prices, a job-market primarily focused on two cities, a government intent on selling all public assets, very limited political interest in positive climate policies. The latter is simply addressed with "technology will…

I feel you mate. Sad part is Australia has all the potential to have a really good future but the only thing missing is competent leadership. The liberal government continues to fuck up time and time again and the Murdoch press just turns a blind eye.

Fucked up quarantine, fucked up vaccine rollout, fucked up climate policies, fucked up the news media bargaining code, and fucked up numerous policies just to prop up the housing market. And it'll be the younger generations that will certainly pay for these fuck ups.

I really hope we have an early election and Australians choose Labor over Liberal this time.

Re: Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate

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Vote. Protest - particularly direct action Challenge them

In Australia people are compelled to vote, so the problem looks like the majority having a different take. Not that I agree with their votes, but you can’t say they don’t vote. Ultimately what is one supposed to do in a democracy (never mind Australia for a moment) when you’re just not part of the majority opinion on something?

> Ultimately what is one supposed to do in a democracy (never mind Australia for a moment) when you’re just not part of the majority opinion on something?

I think the only option is to emigrate. I didn’t and still don’t agree with most of the government policies in The Netherlands (regarding immigration, climate, EU, etc), but most Dutch voters apparently do. Eventually the best option is just to cut your losses and leave for greener pastures.

At least this way I am not forced anymore to have my hard earned money taxed on issues I don’t support.

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