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Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate

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Post by lettergram »

fighterpilot wrote: post #18
lettergram wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider what happens when you have a bunch of uninformed voters that are forced to vote... Imagine how elections would shift if only the elderly voted or middle age. Imagine if only those with children could vote (as they have a reason for the future). The voting base is important. Forcing people to vote sets up conditions where propaganda as opposed to an informed population is making the decisions. That’s what hap…

"only those with children could vote" implies removing the right to vote from people without children, which has nothing to do with compulsory voting.

Yes? That was the point I was making, you don’t necessarily want universal suffrage. Those with long-term interest are better for society

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Post by blitz_skull »

systemvoltage wrote: post #15

Democrats and republicans alike, let's make sure we don't do this in USA. Please donate to EFF, FIRE, ACLU, etc. I feel like both parties are becoming more authoritarian. COVID-19 is here to stay for many years if not decades. We're not going to be able to wipe off the virus from the planet. Governments will continue to use this as an excuse to erode privacy. This whole clampdown feels completely anti-Australian to m…

I whole heartedly agree. I made a top-level comment, but I think it bears repeating: this is human nature at play.

Governmental parties are making plays for more power under the guise of working “for the people”, but sadly they are deluded.

Not sure what the answer is here, but just voicing that you’re 100% correct in my estimation. This pandemic and the tragedies yet to come will always be leveraged by those in power to gain more power.

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Post by burlesona »

systemvoltage wrote: post #15

Democrats and republicans alike, let's make sure we don't do this in USA. Please donate to EFF, FIRE, ACLU, etc. I feel like both parties are becoming more authoritarian. COVID-19 is here to stay for many years if not decades. We're not going to be able to wipe off the virus from the planet. Governments will continue to use this as an excuse to erode privacy. This whole clampdown feels completely anti-Australian to m…

Both parties _are_ becoming more authoritarian. The Economist just wrote a great summary of what's going on: https://www.economist.com/leaders/2021/09/04/the-threat-from...

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Post by shermozle »

neither_color wrote: post #9

We can refer to both now as acts because — in what is an increasing trend in the Australian Parliament — the bills flew through both houses in a single day. Why is this an increasing trend? Voting is mandatory…so are voters more trusting of their institutions or just apathetic? Voting is compulsory at federal elections, by-elections and referendums for those on the electoral roll, as well as for State and Territory e…

The trend is that anything that invokes National Security or Think of Dah Children gets bipartisan support and flies through without comment.

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Post by ogwh »

systemvoltage wrote: post #15

Democrats and republicans alike, let's make sure we don't do this in USA. Please donate to EFF, FIRE, ACLU, etc. I feel like both parties are becoming more authoritarian. COVID-19 is here to stay for many years if not decades. We're not going to be able to wipe off the virus from the planet. Governments will continue to use this as an excuse to erode privacy. This whole clampdown feels completely anti-Australian to m…

ACLU has already been taken by the new American leftist orthodoxy. Turning the tide will require new thinking.

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Post by d_t_w »

chrisco255 wrote: post #3

Aren't we Five Eyes nation members all affected by this? The U.S. should pull out of this. We need to re-assert privacy rights and avoid trade as much as possible with any countries that enact these kind of laws.

Four eyes spying on your citizens and sending reports back to your intelligence agency is sort of the point of Five Eyes (well, one of the points).

It ain't cheating if you're not spying on your own people.

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