Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

twitter.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

341–350 of 451 posts

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

#341

Post by kbenson »

rg111 wrote: post #326
meowface wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Veritasium is very political? Can you link a video where politics comes in at all, let alone something that's very political? https://www.youtube.com/c/veritasium/videos Maybe the driverless car one can be seen as somewhat political (by advocating for use of self-driving cars), but it's not necessarily a polarizing issue split along US political party lines, at the moment. Or do you mean the host of the channel is ve…

I found only this video to be slightly political: Is Success Luck or Hard Work? ( https://youtu.be/3LopI4YeC4I ) I don't know about any other video that has any politics in them.

Maybe, inasmuch as it's espousing an idea that is generally more associated with one party than the other, but the focus is really that idea, and it's supporting evidence, not how it related to politics or the parties and how they view it.

I would hope people try to asses it on the merits of the arguments and examples, and not how they perceive it related to a specific political agenda they are for or against.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

#342

Post by CRConrad »

tenaciousDaniel wrote: post #249
danparsonson wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a counterpoint for you, regarding the 'war on cars': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z8Tb7OA_F4

Meh, I'm still not seeing what make it propaganda, instead of just a terrible argument.

Nobody is as blind as he who does not want to see.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

#343

Post by flavius29663 »

dang wrote: post #291
flavius29663 wrote: post #55

This is anecdotal, but in my experience democrat Americans actually believe everything that the party tells them. They quote the exact same lines, I hear the exact same phrase from different people, and when I ask further questions there is silence. e.g. "rich people stash their money" with absolutely nothing to back that up. Surprisingly, republicans can be more open to conflicting ideas and for debate, even though…

Please don't take HN threads into partisan flamewar. Not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28444380 .

That was not my intention at all, I was rather discussing the state of propaganda, which is an interesting field in itself.

I can see how it can be easily mis-interpreted as partisan politics. I'll abstain from getting too close to politics, little politics is what's keeping this site quality up.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

#344

Post by teakettle42 »

mcguire wrote: post #267
teakettle42 wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you’re really asking is “What happens if people do not do what we tell them to do? What happens if they disagree with us?” Is it appropriate to force people to adhere to your strictures if they won’t do so voluntarily?

(So we've already given up on "Truth is not determined by a list of approved opinions, it can only be revealed by rigorously disproving everything that opposes it" then. Fine. Truth is relative.) No, what I'm really asking is, "What happens if innocent people start being hurt by the lie?" What happens if you are seriously injured in an accident but cannot get medical help because the intensive care facilities are ful…

> No, what I'm really asking is, "What happens if innocent people start being hurt by the lie?"

That would suggest we might benefit from a better mechanism for establishing the truth.

The best mechanism we’ve come up with so far is open and vibrant debate.

Do you have a better suggestion?

> What happens if you are seriously injured in an accident but cannot get medical help because the intensive care facilities are full of people who disagree with the truth?

The Rolling Stone story positing the above turned out to be entirely fabricated.

How would you propose we stem misinformation like that Rolling Stone article?

> Thoughts and prayers?

Open and vibrant debate.

> Does freedom come with any responsibility?

Sure it does, though assessing culpability is often a nightmarish impossibility, especially a priori.

Should we establish prior restraints on individual’s freedoms to enforce correct speech and beliefs?

If not, then what exactly are you proposing?

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

#345

Post by Spivak »

dangus wrote: post #261
ganoushoreilly wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's it, it's a ridiculous premise. I won some music equipment from Sweetwater by liking and commenting on a video (though not sure they would be able to verify the like). I expect things like this to continue to grow as we rely more and more on algorithms in all walks of life without thinking through true recourse options.

If true, the channel owner was trying to game the system to make their channel look like it was more popular than it really was. An analogy would be like a TV host telling the audience to watch the show on five televisions so that they would get a higher Nielsen ratings and then get more money from advertisers. No TV network or advertiser would be happy about that. In other words, if this is what was really happening…

I don't think you deserve the downvotes, this is click-fraud and I'm not at all surprised that it got axed. I'm sure it with enough media outrage and a private mea culpa from the creator it will be reinstated but on first blush I think this was the right call.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

#346

Post by inglor_cz »

didibus wrote: post #319
causi wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone always seems happy to carve out their own exceptions to freedom of expression. Freedom, except for racism. Freedom, except for transgenderism. Freedom, except for porn. Freedom, except for violence. Freedom, except for political dissent or mis-gendering or the promotion or criticism of a religion. As someone who falls near the middle on most issues I probably detest a larger percentage of speakers than anyon…

Okay, but how do you reconcile that with the fact that hate speech and propaganda has been a part of almost all atrocities ever done in the past? Or put some other way, how do you reconcile that your freedom can be affected by someone's else's freedom? Like what if I use my freedom to turn others against you and have them hate you and berate you and bully you and ridicule you and refute you, and potentially have them…

Not the OP, but basically you are complaining about humans. I am not convinced that by banning certain expressions you get any security against future oppression.

Stupid hateful people might get trapped by anti-hate-speech laws, but the smarter ones, precisely the ones you need to be careful about, are fairly good at avoiding them and may even use the threat of prosecution to raise sympathy from the part of population that dislikes the incumbent government.

Most European countries have vibrant extremist movements (left, right, Islamic) even though their freedom of speech is much more limited than the U.S. standard.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

#347

Post by dvdkon »

vl wrote: post #218
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I watched some 'forgotten weapons' and 'demolition ranch' videos, and it was wild how quickly my feed changed from science and history stuff to conservative talking points. I spent a rather long time marking videos as 'do not recommend this channel, I dislike this video' etc, before things returned to normal.

Another simple way to address this is to remove uninteresting videos from history, then recommendations go back to normal. We have to do it on our kids account periodically.

I just fully revoked Google from keeping any data on my viewing habits and for some time now my YouTube main page has been a rehash of popular videos from my subscribed channels (and the occasional cat video). I sure don't miss the craziness desperately trying to get me to watch as much as possible.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

#348

Post by didibus »

zozbot234 wrote: post #327
didibus wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, but how do you reconcile that with the fact that hate speech and propaganda has been a part of almost all atrocities ever done in the past? Or put some other way, how do you reconcile that your freedom can be affected by someone's else's freedom? Like what if I use my freedom to turn others against you and have them hate you and berate you and bully you and ridicule you and refute you, and potentially have them…

I have no issue with people turning against, hating, berating, bullying, etc. me. These are simply matters of feeling and opinion. I do have a problem when other people feel entitled to escalate such conflicts by reacting to these unwelcome points of view with real, actual violence, including government censorship. Even, and perhaps especially, when these people are purporting to act in my defense.

Ok, but what are you referring too? Because I'm not sure I'm seeing any government censorship (except for maybe the voter suppression and the child protection laws as well as some of the anti-protest forces deployed by the government in recent protests like BLM). And I'm mostly seeing violence driven by hate speech, like the various shootings happening.

I would be very against government censorship or interventions against constitutional rights of free speech and right to assemble and protest, and right to vote.

Maybe I just don't have the data you have, but right now I'm not too sure I follow you.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

#349

Post by kbenson »

int_19h wrote: post #203
bArray wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, racists are censored by big tech, but also hackers/security researchers (if they show exploits for example), qualified medical doctors/researchers who oppose the official position of the WHO, journalists that share disturbing news (Facebook have been long deleting records of atrocities in Myanmar for example), creators that show the method for recreating dangerous experiments, etc, etc. And that's not to mentio…

"Unpopular ideas can be silenced, and inconvenient facts kept dark, without the need for any official ban. Anyone who has lived long in a foreign country will know of instances of sensational items of news—things which on their own merits would get the big headlines—being kept right out of the British press, not because the Government intervened but because of a general tacit agreement that ‘it wouldn’t do’ to mentio…

What this is really describing is what we now call the Overton Window[1], and how it's controlled to a degree. I think it's a mistake to think it can be controlled completely, but depending on the society and the makeup of the media control, more or less control can be exerted. China has much more control over it for their citizens than the United States or the media companies within it, most likely.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

#350

Post by bart_spoon »

slightwinder wrote: post #140
vorpalhex wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember when posting the lab leak hypothesis on Facebook would get you banned and now it's, as best as we can figure, the most plausible theory? There is no human run group fit to decide what is or is not "disinformation".

To be fair, the bans usually were about china fabricating the virus on purpose and releasing it with intention, accompanied by racism against Asians. This is pretty different from the accidental leak of a research-object, which is now the accepted theory.

> To be fair, the bans usually were about china fabricating the virus on purpose and releasing it with intention, accompanied by racism against Asians. This is pretty different from the accidental leak of a research-object, which is now the accepted theory.

No, both versions were lumped into the same bucket.

Post reply on HN