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El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

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Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

#191

Let's ignore that Bitcoin is climate arson, and that its only used for money laundering and buying drugs. Bitcoin has a max throughput of 7 transactions per second. It's utter lunacy to suggest that it could function as a currency for a country. This will only end in tears.

Energy use is not energy source. There's been no full accounting of the carbon footprint of bitcoin mining, only its use. Much of it is done using geothermal or other renewable sources. (edit, incorrect) That El Salvador is adopting it refutes your second claim. Then there's the lightning network which increases the transaction throughput. Everything is going to be okay.

Here are some estimates: https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-energy-consumption

Do you think they are wrong? By how much?

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

#192

Let's ignore that Bitcoin is climate arson, and that its only used for money laundering and buying drugs. Bitcoin has a max throughput of 7 transactions per second. It's utter lunacy to suggest that it could function as a currency for a country. This will only end in tears.

Such an ignorant comment. There are hundreds of millions Bitcoin users globally, and only a very small fraction of them are criminals of any kind.

And let's ignore the actual criminals who legally counterfeit US dollars to finance war all around the world.

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

#193

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The most logical reason is that they want to connect the human identity to the wallet/address, thereby easily removing anonymity and ensuring the government can monitor their population effectively

Normal banks already do that

> Normal banks already do that

70% of El Salvadorians don't have a bank account [1].

[1] https://datacatalog.worldbank.org/dataset/el-salvador-global...

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

#194
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Sure, it's created out of hot air and instead of interest you have crazy transaction fees.

Paid to whom? If it was created out of hot air, it would be a hell of a lot cheaper than it is now.

BTC is quite literally made out of hot air. Burning coal to create hot air to spin turbines is the most common energy source for BTC mining. And "hot air" describes most of it's coals replacements as well.

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

#195

Let's ignore that Bitcoin is climate arson, and that its only used for money laundering and buying drugs. Bitcoin has a max throughput of 7 transactions per second. It's utter lunacy to suggest that it could function as a currency for a country. This will only end in tears.

Energy use is not energy source. There's been no full accounting of the carbon footprint of bitcoin mining, only its use. Much of it is done using geothermal or other renewable sources. (edit, incorrect) That El Salvador is adopting it refutes your second claim. Then there's the lightning network which increases the transaction throughput. Everything is going to be okay.

Bitcoin and cryptocurrency in its current form is environmental lunacy. I don't know what problem digital currency solves when the planet can no longer sustain human life due to climate change.

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

#196

Let's ignore that Bitcoin is climate arson, and that its only used for money laundering and buying drugs. Bitcoin has a max throughput of 7 transactions per second. It's utter lunacy to suggest that it could function as a currency for a country. This will only end in tears.

> that its only used for money laundering and buying drugs I am not surprised to see hyperbole like this, but i'm disappointed that they are so routinely upvoted. I've personally used bitcoin for sending money across borders (for legitimate purposes) and never for drugs or money laundering. Apologies for my reactivity, but i think highly of the HN community and get deeply frustrated that this sort of ignorant hyperbo…

On one hand I agree with your assessment. On the other you argue with a personal anecdote -- not much better, is it?

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

#197

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A middle finger to the IMF sharks is a good start to fix a country.

> A middle finger to the IMF sharks is a good start to fix a country. On the one hand, I’m no IMF fan and appreciate how that abstractly could be part of the beginning of a better fix than typically comes of working with the IMF. On the other hand, in practice it seems usually to be part of a flag-waving, nationalist, foreigners-are-the-problem distraction for regime leaders implementing either looting the country or…

The UK started the foreigner blame game in 2016. It will probably get worse in other nations.

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

#198

I wonder if this will prompt the USA to import more products from El Salvador to reduce the size of the remittances sector and thereby lessen the reason people use Bitcoin in the first place. Before anyone tells the Salvadorians to export more products... they do... and they do it by working in a country that exports to El Salvador.

> prompt the USA to import more products from El Salvador to reduce the size of the remittances sector and thereby lessen the reason people use Bitcoin Who in America would benefit from fighting this? Crypto is a real industry. It’s more profitable for the financial sector than similar activity in U.S. dollars. And the Fed doesn’t thoroughly love that it has to take international factors into account when its politic…

> The claim that the U.S. is hellbent on preserving the primacy of the U.S. dollar is largely a myth.

Could you elaborate, please? It was my understanding (perhaps mistakenly) that because so many foreign entities, be they countries, corporations etc, depend on the USD and it functions both as a reserve and for international trading, the U.S. Federal Reserve can be more aggressive with "dovish" policy.

Or stated another way, if fewer people/institutions held USD abroad, the risk of inflation would be much greater.

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

#199
post #6

As a country where remittances make up roughly 20% of the GDP, and with remittance fees as high as 20% or more, this could boost GDP by 4-5%. Not surprising to see them be the first to do this. Others will likely follow.

> remittance fees as high as 20% or more

Average remittance costs for El Salvador are between 1.67% and 4.33%, with the average being 2.85% [1]. Meanwhile, the two Bitcoin ATMs in the country charged a 5% fee.

[1] https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2021/06/Bukeles-Bitc...

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

#200

An authoritarian banana republic is pretty much the only place where something like this would happen : https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/05/21/us-can-stop-el-salvadors...

Generally speaking banana republic is an offensive term to those living the states you’re referring to.

So is “shithole country” but that doesn’t make either term inaccurate.
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