So bye-bye to the bong and smoking. I quit altogether, made tinctures (which I grew to like), and edibles for a while, but then tried a vaporizor (this was 2006). In hindsight, the idea of smoking is now unthinkable to me. I have felt no cardiac symptoms at all since vaping instead. YMMV.
Cannabis use and myocardial infarction in young adults: a cross-sectional study
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Sounds like therapy would be very useful then. If you’re having to self-medicate to maintain sanity, the substances are only a crutch. Speaking from personal experience.
Funny how no one ever says this about caffeine intake. Surely you also think people who drink coffee every day are relying on a crutch and are drug addicts that need therapy.
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#73It’s strange that all of the comments are looking for ways to dismiss this result (and this seems to happen generally with negative cannabis findings online). Is it not entirely possible a drug and method of consumption which stresses the cardiovascular system increases odds of an adverse cardiovascular event?
This is the default for any motivated reasoning where people are interested in a specific outcome (regardless of what's true): https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/too-good-to-check-a-pl... It's hard work to fight against it, but the first step is recognizing it all over the place and in your own thinking. Recognizing it and trying to correct for it is one of the core bits of the rationality community (imo).
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#74It’s strange that all of the comments are looking for ways to dismiss this result (and this seems to happen generally with negative cannabis findings online). Is it not entirely possible a drug and method of consumption which stresses the cardiovascular system increases odds of an adverse cardiovascular event?
We should have had these kinds of studies nearly 100 years ago, but the Reefer Madness era bans stunted our science based knowledge of the plant. Within just a short time frame of the rules being relaxed, we've learned how to extract so many different compounds from this one plant from CBD, CBG, CBN, Delta-8, Delta-9, Delta-10, etc. We now know which compounds get you high, and which ones can be used without fear of…
I know from my own anecdotal experience that d9 (reg THC) gives me incredible anxiety but d8 does not. My mental health is better than it was before I had access to it. I don't want to be a guinea pig, but we've been hearing fear, fear, fear for the last six decades.
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It’s certainly not all good but I’d put it in a different league from alcohol, for example. Cannabis might cause elevated heart risk over a period of years. Alcohol can stop the heart of a healthy person in a single night of binge drinking.
Thank you for illustrating my point so nicely, in response to absolutely no assertions about cannabis .
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#76I appreciate the study calls out that most cannabis is smoked, and it may be general smoke inhalation driving these results rather than an inherent property of cannabis
This study is really just "smoking linked to higher risk".
The primary exposure for our study was any recent cannabis use, categorized as a binary outcome. In the BRFSS, participants were asked, “During the past 30 days, on how many days did you use [marijuana or hashish (2017)] [marijuana or cannabis (2018)]?” We defined any recent cannabis use as using cannabis 1 or more time during the past 30 days.
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It can lead to anxiety and panic attacks due to the high levels of THC relative to the past.
Agreed. I'm always on the lookout for what are now low percentage strains. Perhaps I'm an odd ball lightweight but the current trend of ingesting as much THC as an possible in as little smoke as possible is not something I look forward to. 20+% come the fuck on...I'm not trying to make hash out of it.
Not that that's necessarily a bad thing overall. But still, I'd love to see some more moderate options take root in the marketplace. If my state ever legalizes, I think it might be fun to try my hand at breeding a personal strain with better ratios!
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
We should have had these kinds of studies nearly 100 years ago, but the Reefer Madness era bans stunted our science based knowledge of the plant. Within just a short time frame of the rules being relaxed, we've learned how to extract so many different compounds from this one plant from CBD, CBG, CBN, Delta-8, Delta-9, Delta-10, etc. We now know which compounds get you high, and which ones can be used without fear of…
Yeah. I'm not trying to die of cancer or have reduced mental capacity. I want these studies. I know from my own anecdotal experience that d9 (reg THC) gives me incredible anxiety but d8 does not. My mental health is better than it was before I had access to it. I don't want to be a guinea pig, but we've been hearing fear, fear, fear for the last six decades.
Without wanting to sound all pot-head hippy, this plant seems to be pretty magical. If it turns out that the "good" stuff can be used by removing the one part that gets you high, then we've lost so much potential because of fearmongering. It's infuriating that in the 20th century into the 21st we were no better than the days of Capernicus for stopping science because of fear.
Re: Cannabis use and myocardial infarction in young adults: a cross-sectional study
#79It’s strange that all of the comments are looking for ways to dismiss this result (and this seems to happen generally with negative cannabis findings online). Is it not entirely possible a drug and method of consumption which stresses the cardiovascular system increases odds of an adverse cardiovascular event?
My two heaviest marijuana smoker friends are 100% sure that any study that mentions some detrimental effect from marijuana is part of a big-pharma conspiracy. Their argument is that "it's a natural herb, it's impossible for it to do harm".
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I don't think it's a stretch or generalization to mention mental health services to people who may be struggling with mental health issues.
I'm quite sure that most HN posters are aware that mental health services are available. Did you provide any helpful tips for making use of such services, or just make low IQ lazy generalizations about substance users?
Now I’m confused; who is it again who’s making the low-effort generalizations?