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Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Russia is a totalitarian dictatorship, why does Putin bother with silly tactics like this? A trick to try to lend an appearance of credibility to elections?

One of Putin's defining characteristics is that he does not leave things to chance. Why wouldn't he use every tool and trick available to him in order to secure his grip on power?

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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post #6
post #3

This is pretty similar to Ross Perot splitting the republican vote in the U.S. '92 election except that Perot and Bush should have been political allies and instead split the vote in favor of Clinton. I can't think of an example of using this against an opponent as described in the article could certainly be used here (though I suspect using duplicate names) would be harder to hide).

I'm sure you didn't intend this, but your comment is strongly reminiscent of this classic Russian political tactic for dealing with criticism from the west: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I didn't intend it ... and it looks like I probably shouldn't have gone reminiscing in an HN comment!

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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post #5

Russia is a totalitarian dictatorship, why does Putin bother with silly tactics like this? A trick to try to lend an appearance of credibility to elections?

Maybe precisely because he doesn't have the degree of control that would be present in an actual totalitarian dictatorship?..

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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post #4

This reminds me of the 2019 Canadian federal election. There was a new party in that election led by a man named Maxime Bernier called the People's Party. They're a far-right populist party and generally awful. Bernier himself was running in Beauce, Quebec, which he had represented through the Conservative party since 2006 before he had created the People's Party. But then the Rhinoceros Party, a satirical political…

> This left the People's Party with no seats in parliament.

Note that even if the Rhinoceros votes went for the peoples party the same thing would have happened...

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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post #3

This is pretty similar to Ross Perot splitting the republican vote in the U.S. '92 election except that Perot and Bush should have been political allies and instead split the vote in favor of Clinton. I can't think of an example of using this against an opponent as described in the article could certainly be used here (though I suspect using duplicate names) would be harder to hide).

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Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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post #16
post #4

This reminds me of the 2019 Canadian federal election. There was a new party in that election led by a man named Maxime Bernier called the People's Party. They're a far-right populist party and generally awful. Bernier himself was running in Beauce, Quebec, which he had represented through the Conservative party since 2006 before he had created the People's Party. But then the Rhinoceros Party, a satirical political…

> This left the People's Party with no seats in parliament. Note that even if the Rhinoceros votes went for the peoples party the same thing would have happened...

> Note that even if the Rhinoceros votes went for the peoples party the same thing would have happened...

Which is probably for the best. If this type of trickery had made a meaningful difference, the people fooled by the trick would have had some legitimate complaints. Moreover it would have really undermined the credibility of the winner, even if it wasn't their doing.

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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post #15

Easy solution: Cattle ear tags for politicians.

A more humane solution would be NASCAR-style jumpsuits, worn by law for all government business, emblazoned with logos of their moneyed sponsors. "Ah, there's my guy, he's the one beholden to land developers."

Of course, I'm not sure how that'd work in Russia. I assume at least some of the criminal masterminds who fill the role of the West's owner class have a, like, inkan [0] or something.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_(East_Asia)#Japanese_usag...

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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post #6
post #3

This is pretty similar to Ross Perot splitting the republican vote in the U.S. '92 election except that Perot and Bush should have been political allies and instead split the vote in favor of Clinton. I can't think of an example of using this against an opponent as described in the article could certainly be used here (though I suspect using duplicate names) would be harder to hide).

I'm sure you didn't intend this, but your comment is strongly reminiscent of this classic Russian political tactic for dealing with criticism from the west: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Recognizing a somewhat similar incident from one's own country's history is not at all "whataboutism", especially when there was no obvious intent to diminish the impact of the original subject or otherwise distract from it. Not every comment on a web forum is an attempt to argue or act in bad faith.
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