The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated • Hacker News Board

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by roenxi » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:32 PM UTC

Uehreka wrote: post #42

enriquto wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Here's to hoping the channel is rightly reinstated ASAP I for one am not looking forward to this. Youtube is no longer an acceptable platform for distributing your videos. If a person who makes good videos is forced out of youtube, that can only be a good thing. Hopefully their videos will help make another service more popular. Youtube terms of service are public and unacceptable. People who get burned by them had…

If there was a clear alternative that’d be one thing, but there isn’t, and I suspect this creator is one of those high-quality-but-small-audience channels where they don’t have enough pull to bootstrap an alternative themselves. So it seems kind of naive to say “that can only be a good thing”.

High-quality-but-small-audience might have an easier time than most, I suspect. To get niche content people have to be willing to trawl the internet.

Still wild guesses, but I'd be worried about mid-sized channels with a lot of ambivalent viewers, not really invested, not going to swap platforms. Although how all that factors in to various monetisation strategies is complex.

Anyway, the situation is really interesting. I don't think YouTube can pull off the censorship campaign that they are trying for. They're fighting some really fundamental economic forces - it is too cheap to get people a message if they want to hear it.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by gruez » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:33 PM UTC

pessimizer wrote: post #25

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is apparently a large contingent of people on this site holding the belief that if your private platform is large then the government should step in to force you to host things you don't want to host. It's kinda funny, because it's effectively saying that they want to nationalize tech companies for being successful.

Do you think that the phone company should be allowed to ban women from using their lines?

Women, maybe not, because they're not Bad People. However, the "contingent" that GP was talking about are totally fine with banning Bad People.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by zbrozek » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:33 PM UTC

corobo wrote: post #48

fragileone wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a peer-to-peer video client, with part of it's data being directly shared (similarly to torrents) and part via a blockchain. This makes it highly resistant to censorship and thus is where many people are moving their channels to.

> This makes it highly resistant to censorship We should probably stop using this phrase as a feature Instant thought was "ok so other than this channel it's all racism"

Certainly wasn't my first thought. Though there may be a better phrase.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by phkahler » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:36 PM UTC

mcjiggerlog wrote: post #17

The Linux Experiment is probably my favourite linux-focussed YouTube channel. Nick has been doing absolutely fantastic work and his channel being permanently deleted would be an absolute travesty and a clear mistake. He is producing high quality, thoughtful, inoffensive content. Here's to hoping the channel is rightly reinstated ASAP, along with an apology and explanation from Google. Also, if you don't know the chan…

>> you can still watch them on Odysee

Never heard of them, but that page looks great! Bookmarked.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by flavius29663 » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:37 PM UTC

This is anecdotal, but in my experience democrat Americans actually believe everything that the party tells them. They quote the exact same lines, I hear the exact same phrase from different people, and when I ask further questions there is silence. e.g. "rich people stash their money" with absolutely nothing to back that up.

Surprisingly, republicans can be more open to conflicting ideas and for debate, even though their propaganda is significantly worse. Probably that is an effect of knowing vs not knowing it's propaganda, it seems to me that democrats in general are true believers in the party lines.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by input_sh » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:37 PM UTC

Uehreka wrote: post #42

enriquto wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Here's to hoping the channel is rightly reinstated ASAP I for one am not looking forward to this. Youtube is no longer an acceptable platform for distributing your videos. If a person who makes good videos is forced out of youtube, that can only be a good thing. Hopefully their videos will help make another service more popular. Youtube terms of service are public and unacceptable. People who get burned by them had…

If there was a clear alternative that’d be one thing, but there isn’t, and I suspect this creator is one of those high-quality-but-small-audience channels where they don’t have enough pull to bootstrap an alternative themselves. So it seems kind of naive to say “that can only be a good thing”.

What do you mean by clear alternative? Feature parity? There's at least 10 nearly feature-compatible software out there. I can name five without looking it up: PeerTube, LBRY/Odysee, Cinnamon, Nebula (okay this one's a bit of a stretch because you can't outright sign up and post videos, you need some creator to invite you), DTube.

Thing is none of them will make you YouTube money, so smaller creators don't bother, while larger ones usually just cross-post stuff, leaving no incentive for their audience to bother with the alternative.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by cube00 » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:37 PM UTC

underseacables wrote: post #38

The fault is on YouTube’s reliance on automated systems, making permanent decisions, without human intervention. However, in my humble opinion, people are naturally lazy. The humans who might be charged with reviewing automated decisions are no different. Especially if there is a cultural or language divide.

:s/YouTube/Google

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by qwerty456127 » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:38 PM UTC

As it often happens, again I discover a cool resource from the news about its termination.

Is there by any chance a mirror of its content anywhere to download?

If I were a YouTuber I would maintain an archive of my old videos available on ThePirateBay.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by axelroze » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:38 PM UTC

selfhoster11 wrote: post #14

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is apparently a large contingent of people on this site holding the belief that if your private platform is large then the government should step in to force you to host things you don't want to host. It's kinda funny, because it's effectively saying that they want to nationalize tech companies for being successful.

Is nationalisation evil in itself? The private sector just doesn't have sufficient incentive to serve the public over their own interest. We've seen this time and time again.

> Is nationalisation evil in itself?

Oh very much it is. Come to the lovely Eastern Europe and see for yourself how good national owned companies are. Full of useless bureaucrats put there to ensure voters so the ruling party can continue ruling. Also in huge debts which are paid by more taxes so the working people pay for the lazy.

Unless the human race somehow chains itself to selflessness, nationalization + democracy is a sure way to destroy any organization. Now privately owned is not much better but in theory can be replaced with a competitor. Not so much for a national organization.

Source: Living and suffering daily in Eastern Europe.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by amelius » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 1:40 PM UTC

enriquto wrote: post #32

mcjiggerlog wrote: post #17

The Linux Experiment is probably my favourite linux-focussed YouTube channel. Nick has been doing absolutely fantastic work and his channel being permanently deleted would be an absolute travesty and a clear mistake. He is producing high quality, thoughtful, inoffensive content. Here's to hoping the channel is rightly reinstated ASAP, along with an apology and explanation from Google. Also, if you don't know the chan…

> Here's to hoping the channel is rightly reinstated ASAP I for one am not looking forward to this. Youtube is no longer an acceptable platform for distributing your videos. If a person who makes good videos is forced out of youtube, that can only be a good thing. Hopefully their videos will help make another service more popular. Youtube terms of service are public and unacceptable. People who get burned by them had…

YouTube should be forced to allow "Watch this video on $COMPETING_SERVICE" links.