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Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by cbradford »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #4
rvz wrote: post #2

Once again, using the private platform argument here: YouTube (owned by Google) reserves the right to terminate and de-platform anyone's account who has been in violation of YouTube's guidelines and terms of service. You can criticise, protest, appeal, scream or throw a tantrum about it, etc but you should finally see that this can happen to anyone sitting on private platforms like YouTube. YouTube will never change…

There is apparently a large contingent of people on this site holding the belief that if your private platform is large then the government should step in to force you to host things you don't want to host. It's kinda funny, because it's effectively saying that they want to nationalize tech companies for being successful.

For over 100 years we have had laws and rules that prescribe that when a firm or industry reaches monopoly statue they must act as a common carrier and not discriminate. Been that way since telephones and railroads. People should understand history, this is not a new challenge and the solutions are already on the books.

https://blog.scorchedweb.com/technology/supreme-court-on-con...

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by _null_ »

rvz wrote: post #2

Once again, using the private platform argument here: YouTube (owned by Google) reserves the right to terminate and de-platform anyone's account who has been in violation of YouTube's guidelines and terms of service. You can criticise, protest, appeal, scream or throw a tantrum about it, etc but you should finally see that this can happen to anyone sitting on private platforms like YouTube. YouTube will never change…

>YouTube will never change and it will only get worse.

Private entities can be swayed by their customer's demands. Not saying that YT _will_ be swayed, just that this sort of creator outrage has a place in the market system, and "throwing a tantrum" over their bad behavior doesn't always have to be met with "private entities can do whatever they want!"

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by segfaultbuserr »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #5
gmemstr wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the issue here. The issue here is letting automated systems having final say on such destructive actions as terminating an account entirely, with no concrete way to appeal. From what I am aware of, few channels wrongfully suspended get reinstated through support but rather through public outcry on the likes of Twitter.

I don't think that's in disagreement with the parent. Whatever means YouTube uses to determine who to drop and who to keep is irrelevant because the point is that if you host content on someone else's servers you are giving them control.

I don't think so. The original comment says that YouTube has:

> the right to terminate and de-platform anyone's account who has been in violation of YouTube's guidelines and terms of service.

The problem here is letting automated systems, with a history of producing false-positives for content that didn't violate the Guidelines or ToS, having final say on account termination, with no concrete way to appeal - To me this is a fair criticism.

If the original comment says "the right to arbitrarily terminate and de-platform anyone's account", then I'll say that you have a point.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by selfhoster11 »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #4
rvz wrote: post #2

Once again, using the private platform argument here: YouTube (owned by Google) reserves the right to terminate and de-platform anyone's account who has been in violation of YouTube's guidelines and terms of service. You can criticise, protest, appeal, scream or throw a tantrum about it, etc but you should finally see that this can happen to anyone sitting on private platforms like YouTube. YouTube will never change…

There is apparently a large contingent of people on this site holding the belief that if your private platform is large then the government should step in to force you to host things you don't want to host. It's kinda funny, because it's effectively saying that they want to nationalize tech companies for being successful.

Is nationalisation evil in itself? The private sector just doesn't have sufficient incentive to serve the public over their own interest. We've seen this time and time again.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by ad404b8a372f2b9 »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #4
rvz wrote: post #2

Once again, using the private platform argument here: YouTube (owned by Google) reserves the right to terminate and de-platform anyone's account who has been in violation of YouTube's guidelines and terms of service. You can criticise, protest, appeal, scream or throw a tantrum about it, etc but you should finally see that this can happen to anyone sitting on private platforms like YouTube. YouTube will never change…

There is apparently a large contingent of people on this site holding the belief that if your private platform is large then the government should step in to force you to host things you don't want to host. It's kinda funny, because it's effectively saying that they want to nationalize tech companies for being successful.

The government should step in to enforce data standards and data-transfer functionalities so that large tech companies do not have oversized monopoly like influence due to natural network effects.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by [deleted] »

rvz wrote: post #2

Once again, using the private platform argument here: YouTube (owned by Google) reserves the right to terminate and de-platform anyone's account who has been in violation of YouTube's guidelines and terms of service. You can criticise, protest, appeal, scream or throw a tantrum about it, etc but you should finally see that this can happen to anyone sitting on private platforms like YouTube. YouTube will never change…

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Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by mcjiggerlog »

The Linux Experiment is probably my favourite linux-focussed YouTube channel. Nick has been doing absolutely fantastic work and his channel being permanently deleted would be an absolute travesty and a clear mistake. He is producing high quality, thoughtful, inoffensive content. Here's to hoping the channel is rightly reinstated ASAP, along with an apology and explanation from Google.

Also, if you don't know the channel and want to check out his videos, you can still watch them on Odysee - https://odysee.com/@TheLinuxExperiment.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

YouTube has been changing in weird ways in the last year or so.

The amount of propaganda on the platform is ridiculous, though very frequently disguised as "news" or "educational". As someone who's been around quite a bit, I can also imagine that it doesn't look like propaganda to average Americans (I'd be glad to be wrong on this).

A great deal of content is just plain sophistry too. Inspecting comments, it seems that most viewers don't pick up on this.

At the same time, finding reviews or alike for products or services is near impossible -- the platform is filled with generic reviews which are indistinguishable form ads.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

rvz wrote: post #2

Once again, using the private platform argument here: YouTube (owned by Google) reserves the right to terminate and de-platform anyone's account who has been in violation of YouTube's guidelines and terms of service. You can criticise, protest, appeal, scream or throw a tantrum about it, etc but you should finally see that this can happen to anyone sitting on private platforms like YouTube. YouTube will never change…

Not sure why this guy is getting downvoted.

I wish he were wrong, because he's saying sucks, but he's just telling the hard truth the way it is.

YouTube won't change, yet we continue using it as if it didn't have the track record it does.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Post by sinyug »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #4
rvz wrote: post #2

Once again, using the private platform argument here: YouTube (owned by Google) reserves the right to terminate and de-platform anyone's account who has been in violation of YouTube's guidelines and terms of service. You can criticise, protest, appeal, scream or throw a tantrum about it, etc but you should finally see that this can happen to anyone sitting on private platforms like YouTube. YouTube will never change…

There is apparently a large contingent of people on this site holding the belief that if your private platform is large then the government should step in to force you to host things you don't want to host. It's kinda funny, because it's effectively saying that they want to nationalize tech companies for being successful.

> There is apparently a large contingent of people on this site holding the belief that if your private platform is large then the government should step in to force you to host things you don't want to host.

I am part of that group. I am willing to accept a free-for-all till a company reaches a certain size as far as its user-or-customer base is concerned: something between the population of New Zealand and that of Australia. Beyond that it should be answerable to the people.

I also think supranational corporations should either be banned or very tightly regulated.

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