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Re: Web-based editor

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Post by audience_mem »

addicted wrote: post #154
tdhz77 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies want developers to buy into editors like religion. All of them (editors) do the same, but spending money on IntelliJ is the hardest flex because it says I’m an enterprise developer look at me.

You can get access to all Jetbrains tools for $650/yr for the first year, with the price reducing in subsequent years. Considering nearly every S/W dev globally can make that in a couple of days, I'm not sure how much of a flex it is considering it would be your primary work tool. And I say this as someone whose never used a Jetbrains tool and use Vim for nearly everything (except when I'm on Windows where I use a mi…

> Considering nearly every S/W dev globally can make that in a couple of days

This is only possibly true if your definition of "global" is "1st world".

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by xkgt »

sidk24 wrote: post #68
xkgt wrote: post #33

Is this similar to what github1s.com offered?

I am still proud of [github1s]( https://github.com/conwnet/github1s ) No Credits given :( => https://github.com/conwnet/github1s/issues/346

Github1s was one of the most polished projects I came across in HN. When I saw this announcement I first thought of Github1s and searched for any credits.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by CRConrad »

user-the-name wrote: post #26
greatgib wrote: post #10

Remember the typical Microsoft: "embrace, extend, extinguish" ...

What exactly is it you are saying they are embracing, extending or extinguishing here?

The PC; the whole idea of a universe of independent microcomputers.

Microsoft, Amazon, Google (and Facebook?) each have their own angle on it, but seem to be moving towards the same goal: a return to the old model of centralised computing, with the Web as the substrate, your "PC" reduced to a graphical terminal, and their servers as the mainframe.

The difference in angles is partly just that they each want their servers to be the main mainframe, not those of one of the others; and partly because they're each coming at it from different directions, each trying to play off of their own strengths. But the goal and direction? All absolutely the same.

The best we can hope for (if I'm being pessimistic) is probably that none of them wins outright, but instead we get a shaky balance between as many as possible of them.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by CRConrad »

cxr wrote: post #169
Zababa wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to Wikipedia: "Extinguish: When extensions become a de facto standard because of their dominant market share, they marginalize competitors that do not or cannot support the new extensions." So if your text editor doesn't support integration with Github and a cloud vendor, or if your repositories don't support integration with an online text editor and a cloud vendor, or if your cloud vendor doesn't support…

The GitHub folks were already on a roll with this before Microsoft came along. How many people don't understand the difference between Git and GitHub, don't realize that saying "can you on GitHub?" makes the same presumptions as "can you on Facebook?", don't give two shits about how messy their commit messages are formatted, don't realize that Git doesn't actually have PRs, don't realize that the closest analog that…

This has annoyed the crap out of me for a long while too. I never found out how to drive the difference -- "that's not git, that's GitHub!" -- home to people who'd just answer "What are you on about, it's the same thing!" before this idea struck me right now:

"No, they're different things. Just like GMail is one e-mail server (and client), but GMail isn't the same thing as e-mail."

Gonna try that next time I get onto the subject.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by CRConrad »

reacharavindh wrote: post #103

Not strictly on point, but a tangential thought… When are going to get JavaScript accelerators in hardware and OSes such that we can have a few tabs with full blown softwares like “VSCode IDE”, “Slack”, “Spotify”, “Outlook mail”, “Zoom for video calls”, “Photoshop for your photos in the cloud” and many others? The only thing to install on your client computer being a crazy optimised web browser! May be ChromeOS was a…

And then all the actual apps run somewhere else, in "the cloud"?

Congratulations on turning your fancy PC into a mere terminal, useless without your user account(s) at your new overlord's (or overlords') mainframe(s).

Too bad enthusiasts like you will help turn that dystopia into reality for the rest of us too.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by CRConrad »

user-the-name wrote: post #76
dmm wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

vscode is open source but many of the most interesting features are proprietary, making the use of anything but the official build impossible for many use cases. A few weeks ago I investigated using an embedded version of vscode to create containerized dev environments for an internal developer platform we're working on. The hope was to allow devs to write and debug code from inside a k8s container by using vscode in…

None of which has anything to do with "embrace, extend, extinguish". That just means they are not wanting to fully commit to open sourcing their own editor.

It has everything to do with it. Their open-sourcing stuff is just the modern form of the "embrace", and that open-sourcing being only partial is the very epitome of "extend".

The "extinguish" is obviously yet to come, but turning a blind eye to it certainly won't help stave it off. And trying to fog others' vision to it is... Less than a good look.

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