I feel every attempt at community-by-design bears within it the seed of inhumane horror. Forget about the energy equation of building a city in a desert, what's the on-boarding process for prospective inhabitants ? Putting the price of accommodation sky-high to make sure everybody's in the right tax-bracket (or even earns enough to not pay taxes) ? Going through an interview process to only take in people with the "r…
Plans for a new city in the American desert
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#192- no minimum parking requirements
- no zoning requirements
- no community involvement
- no free street parking
- a plan for walkability & parks
- a community of "doers" or committed (this is the hardest)
I feel like Starbase in Texas is perhaps the most exciting new city.
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#193$500,000 each for the first 50,000. Guessing I wouldn't fit into that "new model for society."
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#194"The cleanliness of Tokyo, the diversity of New York and the social services of Stockholm: Billionaire Marc Lore has outlined his vision for a 5-million-person "new city in America" and appointed a world-famous architect to design it" "The mission of Telosa is to create a more equitable and sustainable future. That's our North Star." I admire their ambition, but they are underestimating people's preference for inequi…
As someone living in small town on world scale. I wonder if even trying to aim at 5 million is doing things wrong... Might it be that real sweet spot is somewhere lower than that?
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#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
Deserts can be great for living in once you manage the heat through shading and wind management. Desert sand is very amenable to conversion into rich loamy soil through taking in lots of organic matter in surprisingly few years. Living in such a climate can be made attractive. The challenge is clean, potable water, which is really embodied energy. The evaporation of such water happens at a ferocious rate out in the o…
> There are also daunting challenges around long-term high-density human impacts upon the desert ecosystem, which serve important functions that are still not well-understood [1]. That's a rather odd way of framing it. For one thing, having higher density seems like a rather obvious environmental good, since it means less total natural area disrupted. If you refuse high density in some area, the people who would've l…
My concern was around our civilization's poor understanding of the interplay between ecosystems, high density, energy flows, authority flows and fiscal flows. I'm a proponent of organically learning by building in incrementally higher densities in both cold and hot-dry deserts; it frees up more arable land elsewhere, and might have the least environmental impact of other build patterns. "Might" because that is a pure supposition based upon the lower densities of life supported by those climate zones. But small, rapidly iterative experiments because I think we need lots of time and small failures to understand how to maintain sustainable, equitable high-density urban cores over long durations (hundreds to thousands of years), that do not exacerbate the centralization of socioeconomic power and authority which seem to plague lots of large-organization decision matrices.
I've been looking for many years for literature that studies these kinds of inter-relationships. Our civilization seems to have a pretty good grasp of how to start building an urban core area (see China as the latest example, and many currently less-developed nations in elsewhere I expect will follow suit in the coming decades). But the wheels start to come off when land and improvements speculation (driven by the unique leverage+asset treatments real estate enjoys in law) drives up the pricing of a successfully started urban core, and emerges suburban and other anti-pattern responses when no other solutions to stay within high-density urban come forward.
In the context of the desert builds, I'm reasonably confident after looking into the patterns I've researched so far, that absent some pretty fundamental changes in how high-density urban cores are maintained after they are started, even successful starts will rapidly (within two generations, say 40-80 years) dilute and falter from their original excellent high-density-driven metrics as the expected anti-patterns emerge again.
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
Government policy reflects the culture. I have spent 30% of the last 20 years of my life in Japan, on and off again. One of the highest compliments paid to me by a group of Japanese friends was, “you must not do X again, you are Japanese and know better now.” I.E. as a foreigner I would get a pass, but my understanding of the culture reached a point where they expected better. I was both very highly embarrassed and a…
Jaywalking as a negative concept was pushed in newspapers by the auto industry and it worked.
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#197The cleanliness of Tokyo is 100% because of cultural issues, not because the government did anything special. Durning the major 2011 earthquake everything shutdown and you had to walk home. When you went into the “Konbini” (7/11, FamilyMart, Lawsons) in Tokyo there was always a bottle of water left. Why? Because culturally no Japanese would ever buy the last bottle.
If no one will buy the last bottle, doesn't that effectively mean the next to last bottle is the last bottle?
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#198Why would anyone move there? You need work to attract workers. Why would any company move/start there? Middle of the desert smh. Why not build it underwater and get rid of all the pesky ethical/moral laws, allow any biotech research and free experimentation on humans?
It's fun to play sim-city, but if you don't have a plan for what new industries your new city is going to be supporting you're not attracting new residents.
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Government policy reflects the culture In general, sure. It also is one of many things that influences it. Culture doesn't just arrive ex nihilo with no influence from concrete experience.
What would it take and how long would it take to turn NYC into a Tokyo with respect to cleanliness via governmental decree? A counterpoint is Singapore and birthrates. For decades, decades, the government has tried incentivizing the native population to produce more children, and no matter what they do, they still aren't having results. Sometimes the government can only do so much and the rest is up to the people the…
Birth incentives don't work quite as well, because a $500 voucher doesn't go very far in a country where a public housing flat can sell for $1,000,000 and the schooling system is a pressure cooker mandating extensive paid tuition.
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#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The cleanliness of Tokyo is 100% because of cultural issues, not because the government did anything special Social disapproval over time, including that expressed through government policy, has effect on culture. So, while it may not result particularly from the government doing something immediate to cause the cleanliness, I would be hesitant to assert it is independent of government action merely because it is c…
Government policy reflects the culture. I have spent 30% of the last 20 years of my life in Japan, on and off again. One of the highest compliments paid to me by a group of Japanese friends was, “you must not do X again, you are Japanese and know better now.” I.E. as a foreigner I would get a pass, but my understanding of the culture reached a point where they expected better. I was both very highly embarrassed and a…
It works, but it works against you, as Mitt Romney discovered with his "makers and takers" gaffe and Hilary Clinton discovered with her "deplorables" gaffe.