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TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by nicoburns »

_bdbs wrote: post #176
Snd_ wrote: post #57

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As a European: this is extremely funny. America has been doing this for years. Apparently only when it's not America doing these things it becomes a problem?

America is an ally, if not formally then the shared westernism. China is most definitely not.

America being an ally only really makes them more dangerous to me as an individual. If I were in trouble with the US government there is a high likelihood my own government would extradite me. There's very little chance of that with the Chinese government, and the chances are they wouldn't be interested in the first place*

* Not that the US would be interested in me personally either. But they do take an interest in citizens from other countries.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by zepto »

tomp wrote: post #167
MathCodeLove wrote: post #127

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I see where you're coming from, but Youtube isn't nearly as opaque as Tiktok. You can actually search for videos on youtube, typically content is longer and has a higher production quality which reduces probability of doom-scrolling. As someone else mentioned, TikTok is intentionally designed to be addictive and gamified, much more so that youtube or facebook. And, objectively speaking, the US government is far prefe…

> Militarily, the US is allied with most EU powers (including France) Wouldn’t this be an argument for preferring TikTok over YouTube? There is literally nothing China can do to me as long as I stay firmly in the West. On the other hand, I could very well be sold out by Google to the US government, which could easily have me extradited from the EU.

> There is literally nothing China can do to me as long as I stay firmly in the West.

If you use TikTok they can manipulate what you see.

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Post by luckylion »

hcurtiss wrote: post #163
simiones wrote: post #81

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People in many parts of the world will have the exact opposite impression. So far, Chinese domination looks like new roads, while US domination looks like coups and war. Of course, this reflects the current relative advantages of both and I have no illusions about the risks of being dominated by any imperialistic power.

Which just blows my mind. At a total US development aid of $34 billion in 2019, China is the only country that even comes close. The US's giving in the last fifty years (including massive sums to China) has been unparalleled in recorded history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_countr... Of course, that's just development aid. US blows away all other countries in humanitarian aid too: https://www…

> US blows away all other countries in humanitarian aid too

The problem is that they often do blow stuff away, quite literally. People aren't going to sing your praise for the new well you've dug after you've bombed their wedding and killed all their friends and family.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by blitzar »

bobobob420 wrote: post #80
pilooch wrote: post #59

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TikTok algorithm is like a tamgotchi with short memory. The echo chamber is actual much less than on other systems, or at least this is my actual understanding. I've been working on AI and ML for 20+y now, I'm always interested is testing the systems out there from the user side. Overall, I've been surprised by TikTok, as I did find it very enjoyable actually, and easily 'trainable'.

Why does YouTube not change their algorithim. It is clearly sub tier to tik tok, they have the data and skill set to provide new and entertaining videos but the recommended feed has been so stale and stagnant for a few years, constantly pushing videos you’ve seen or ones you clearly don’t want to watch. How much of tik tok’s success do you think is their algorithim for recommending content. I heard from numerous peop…

I wonder about the 'other' viewers on youtube, the matching to 'you might also like' content is terrible. At best I get a lot of the same channel, or videos containing the same title, or worse still the celebrity garbage that is popular in the country at the time.

The algo also doesnt seem to get the hint - it suggests a video over and over again, an no matter how many times I dont ever watch a video on X channel or on Y subject, it keeps on trying.

While I am complaining, Netflix algo is getting worse too. Stop reccomending the movie I watched earlier in the week, I watched it. I clicked thumbs down on it. I dont want to waste another 90 minutes on it.

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Post by Levitz »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #11

I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

It turns out most people are actually sheeple.

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Post by [deleted] »

refenestrator wrote: post #138
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #136

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> The US government only accesses it if they have a reason to do so and subpoena the specific information needed As Snowden revelations have shown, this is not the case. > It wouldn't be hard for them to subtly start slipping in propaganda into the tiktok feeds of countries they intend to invade Last time I checked, the USA were the number one warmonger in the world, sometimes by lying about WMD and going against the…

Fun fact, if you are not a US citizen, you have no 4th amendment rights against seizure of your data. No judge or legal process necessary beyond a blanket executive order.

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Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by Barrin92 »

m12k wrote: post #16

TikTok seems emblematic of China's overall approach compared to the West - shows up late to the party, but studies all those hard-won lessons to copy and later surpass the most successful Western products. The free market is great at finding the superior product, but it's also messy and wasteful with all those failed attempts - why not just sit it out until a winner starts to emerge, then copy them? China seems to ha…

no different than SV itself. How many Clubhouse clones did we have exactly, not to mention just about every established giant suddenly coming up with 'spaces' and 'stage channels'?

That's always been the game, inside and outside of countries.

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Post by swebs »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #11

I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

>Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft?

Try watching this video on Youtube without giving Google your passport or credit card info. I found it impossible, even with youtube-dl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhmoyoOR1s

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Post by malwarebytess »

csours wrote: post #182

TikTok feels so incredibly fake. I know that a lot of that same fake content is available on YouTube, but on YouTube, I can subscribe to creators that do real things or offer substantial and interesting critiques. TikTok and Facebook video feel like broadcast TV - highly over-dramatized and over-hyped. Again, I know the same is available on YT, but I can also use it my way.

It really isn't. I get only normal people on my tiktok, but I also only follow normal people and tend to "not interested" all checkmarked accounts when they show up.
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