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TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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As a Frenchmen, Youtube is exactly the same: - algo is a black box, and uncalibrated youtube makes my eyes bleed; - own by the biggest spy on the planet, google, known for manipulating information, monopolistic behavior, participation in the worst gov programs (e.g: PRISM); - impose American censorship rules to the entire world, and makes creators do inane cuts to fit some terrible metrics Besides, the typical Tik To…

I see where you're coming from, but Youtube isn't nearly as opaque as Tiktok. You can actually search for videos on youtube, typically content is longer and has a higher production quality which reduces probability of doom-scrolling. As someone else mentioned, TikTok is intentionally designed to be addictive and gamified, much more so that youtube or facebook. And, objectively speaking, the US government is far prefe…

> the CCP is still putting Muslims in concentration camps

I don't want to enter this debate because it detracts from the main point, but the US has been putting Latino people in concentration camps.

As a fellow frenchman I can only agree with what was said before: TikTok is bad, but Youtube isn't much better.

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As a European: this is extremely funny. America has been doing this for years. Apparently only when it's not America doing these things it becomes a problem?

Well, you could certainly see why the situation changes when the service is controlled by an adversarial government. At least the US services are only clandestinely influenced by the US government. TikTok is practically a Trojan horse

US services operate with the full cooperation of Google and Amazon, and the ability to compel them however they want for foreigners otherwise.

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US government is simply more civilized and predictable.

People in many parts of the world will have the exact opposite impression. So far, Chinese domination looks like new roads, while US domination looks like coups and war. Of course, this reflects the current relative advantages of both and I have no illusions about the risks of being dominated by any imperialistic power.

Which just blows my mind. At a total US development aid of $34 billion in 2019, China is the only country that even comes close. The US's giving in the last fifty years (including massive sums to China) has been unparalleled in recorded history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_countr...

Of course, that's just development aid. US blows away all other countries in humanitarian aid too: https://www.statista.com/statistics/275597/largers-donor-cou...

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Do you think there can be good authoritarian regimes? Or is democracy the only way?

Let's say there can be - is China one?

If you admit that, the issue becomes actual reality, not authoritarianism per se, and the comparison between the US and China becomes very uncomfortable when democracy is no longer a crutch.

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...really?

Let me pose a pair of questions that might make this easier to understand: -Is the US government currently involved in ethnic cleansing? -Is China currently involved in ethnic cleansing?

This is a very narrow view of the problem at hand. Let me show you another narrow view that illustrates why it's not enough:

- How many governments has the US toppled in an undemocratic process ?

- How many governments has China toppled in an undemocratic process ?

We could go on and on about this, to make a clear opinion on the subject requires far more than a single question.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Something as massive as YouTube can be beaten. This feels like the circle of life, considering every empire that rises eventually falls too. Though I am not saying TikTok is the doom for YouTube since geo politics will play a significant role its future. And there are other metrics by which TikTok hasn’t probably caught up with YouTube yet like the size of the user base, revenue etc. What seems odd is how TikTok is m…

The amount of commenting by people who have (proudly?) never used Tiktok in this thread is staggering.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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As a Frenchmen, Youtube is exactly the same: - algo is a black box, and uncalibrated youtube makes my eyes bleed; - own by the biggest spy on the planet, google, known for manipulating information, monopolistic behavior, participation in the worst gov programs (e.g: PRISM); - impose American censorship rules to the entire world, and makes creators do inane cuts to fit some terrible metrics Besides, the typical Tik To…

I see where you're coming from, but Youtube isn't nearly as opaque as Tiktok. You can actually search for videos on youtube, typically content is longer and has a higher production quality which reduces probability of doom-scrolling. As someone else mentioned, TikTok is intentionally designed to be addictive and gamified, much more so that youtube or facebook. And, objectively speaking, the US government is far prefe…

> Militarily, the US is allied with most EU powers (including France)

Wouldn’t this be an argument for preferring TikTok over YouTube?

There is literally nothing China can do to me as long as I stay firmly in the West. On the other hand, I could very well be sold out by Google to the US government, which could easily have me extradited from the EU.

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As they drop bombs on innocent people across the Middle East. smh

I think the majority of countries have dropped or shot bombs at somepoint in the last 100 years. Is that the only reason you do not think they are civilized? Any countries that have dropped bombs are not civilized?

Without declared wars... I don't think majority of countries have done that ones... Unless they were imperialist ones...

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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A couple of years ago, I noticed the youtube recommendations that would get were a lot less interesting, though still relevant to me somehow. At some point I started seeing a lot more "mainstream" content, especially after media companies figured out that they needed to have a youtube presence in order to stay relevant. So I wonder if the algorithm the switched to had something to do with them potentially losing atte…

I wish someone at YouTube could explain, but the recommendation algo is nothing like what it used to be. Every refresh would bring a gem, now it's mostly the same videos, often from the same channel if I happened to watch a few in a row... Very odd.

It feels like I keep seeing same videos recommended over and over again. And it is not like Youtube does not know that I have watched majority of the length...

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

#170

I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

Pretty clear from several comments in this thread that Non-US citizens have a hard time distinguishing the risk-levels of a US-centric vs a China-centric world. Particularly insulting to see the French comments. Ever wondered what Europe would be looking like today if it was China and USSR that ended up defeating the Nazis?
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