Overton window friendly mainstream content shaped by PRC censorship is popular because no one likes running across divisive / distressing content that seems to be endgame of western attention merchant approach. Incidentally western platforms follow suit and starts cracking down on undesirables. Going to be interesting once TikTok rolls out massively profitable store fronts / shopping layer comparable to DouYin. Maybe tiktok philosphy will prove that serenity sells more than drama. Censored, curated speech is more marketable to unrestricted free speech.
TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
The only photo I remember from China in 1990 is the Tiananmen square photo of the guy standing up to the tank. Did you see that photo in China?
Sorry, I thought you were trying to understand why Chinese people might be happy with their government after you add it all up. If it's just cold war arguments and demonization, I can't help you with that. Consider, even if you're that hardcore about it, 'know your enemy' has some value. They understand us but we don't understand them, and sometimes it's willful on our part. We'd rather tell ourselves a story.
They are either happy with society by extension the government or they are selfish for not thinking about others.
I don't think happy with the government is a concept. The question becomes are you happy with society
Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK
#153I believe it. Nowadays, I watch perhaps 1-2 videos a day on Youtube. The addictive endless scrolling of content on Tiktok means I'm spending on average an hour a day.
Sounds like it is time to add TikTok to you blocklist and get back an hour a day. Add the following to whatever filter/blocklist you use and rejoice in all that regained freedom:
# TikTok
abtest-va-tiktok.byteoversea.com
api16-core-c-alisg.tiktokv.com
api16-core-c-useast1a.tiktokv.com
api16-core-c-useast2a.tiktokv.com
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dm16-useast1a.tiktokv.com
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i.byteoversea.com
ichannel.musical.ly
ichannel-va.tiktokv.com
imapi-16.tiktokv.com
imapi-mu.isnssdk.com
im-va.tiktokv.com
log16-normal-c-useast1a.tiktokv.com
log.byteoversea.com
log-va.tiktokv.com
mon.tiktokv.com
mon-va.tiktokv.com
muscdn.com
musical.ly
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tiktokcdn.com
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tiktokcdn.com.wsdvs.com
tiktokcdn.liveplay.myqcloud.com
tiktok.com
tiktok.com.c.footprint.net
tiktokv.com
webcast16-normal-c-useast1a.tiktokv.com
xlog-va.tiktokv.com
# /TikTok
# TikTok
(\.|^)tiktok\.com$
(\.|^)tiktokcdn\.com$
(\.|^)tiktokv\.com$
muscdn.com
musical.ly
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
You've mixed together two-way (discussion) and one-way (advice) mental health communication. Your point only applies to discussion, and the tiktok example only involves advice. Concretely, what privacy concern do you see in watching a video with mental health tips? Do you think this privacy concern similarly extends to reading a Wikipedia article on (eg) CBT techniques? Or am I misunderstanding, and "Mental health ti…
It’s 2 way. The tracking and profiling algorithms infer a lot by watching people. The viewers might not realize it’s two way though
That's an extremely expansive definition of "two-way", to the point of meaninglessness. If you were to bite this bullet, you'd also preclude the type of extremely basic work to get informed that any patient should be doing when engaging with the healthcare system (including for physical health). Basic research about your health problems doesn't even preclude putting full faith in your doctor and his recommendations; they're helpful in the general case for even understanding conversations with him. And this type of web search provides infinitely more "two-way" loss of privacy than signal from tiktok recommendations.
This is worth elaborating on, since I know HN tends to have a bizarre fantasy conception of the medical system where patients arent supposed to understand anything that's happening. I have to wonder if the HNers contributing to this conception have ever engaged with the medical system, or if they have, I have to pity those that they're responsible for.
There are plenty of doctors in my family, and I've been responsible for managing both chronic and severe acute health issues for family members. Every single one of the doctors I've been in contact with would be shocked by the notion that patients shouldn't be informing thenselves at a basic level. This goes quadruply for basic preventive measures like nutrition, exercise, or basic mental health practices: there's a reason that "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".
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#155I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…
> We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire countries. Note that non american feel the same way about google, netflix, amazon &co
As a non american I don't feel the same way. Amazon, Google, etc just want to make money. TikTok is (like all companies in China) an extension of the Chinese state, a state that is currently engaging in genocide.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The US was killing more central asians than China every year of the last 20 years straight. Hopefully no longer true going forward. That's absolutely a fallacious comparison. 1. We don't have accurate data from China on the number imprisoned and killed by them, so no one can make absolutely comparisons like you did. 2. The Chinese do this to people living peacefully inside their borders. If the US started rounding…
There's those qualifications and spin I was asking for. China is bringing economic development, secular institutions and women's rights, in a heavy handed way, whether the residents want it or not, with minimal regard for costs to those residents. It's the exact same thing as we've been doing, minus a fig leaf of democracy. In neither case is the word genocide or ethnic cleansing appropriate, body counts don't suppor…
Note the word "war". They killed us as well. Again, this is not comprable to the situation in China with the Uighur Muslims. Unless you're one of those running these camps, you don't have an accurate body count, so you don't know what word is or is not appropriate. Based on the perceived scale of the operation, genocide seems very much correct, but I have no more information than you.
I don't understand how you can sit here and compare a war in the middle east to literal concentration camps. Stop performing mental gymnastics to fit your own narrative.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's those qualifications and spin I was asking for. China is bringing economic development, secular institutions and women's rights, in a heavy handed way, whether the residents want it or not, with minimal regard for costs to those residents. It's the exact same thing as we've been doing, minus a fig leaf of democracy. In neither case is the word genocide or ethnic cleansing appropriate, body counts don't suppor…
Note the word "war". They killed us as well. Again, this is not comprable to the situation in China with the Uighur Muslims. Unless you're one of those running these camps, you don't have an accurate body count, so you don't know what word is or is not appropriate. Based on the perceived scale of the operation, genocide seems very much correct, but I have no more information than you. I don't understand how you can s…
Because dead is dead. If you can't read, who cares what the declaration of war said.
It's counterinsurgency in both cases, attempting to modernize a tribal Muslim society in hopes of improving security from terror attacks.
You are aware there were terror attacks in Urumqi?
There are differences between their style and ours, the re-education camps vs the drone bombs. Maybe there's an argument about freedoms vs deaths. But Americans clearly do not actually give a shit about Muslim lives, it's just a political talking point. 300k dead in Yemen with our weapons doesn't even make the news, Afghanistan barely cracked the news for a decade, etc etc.
How many Americans were baying at the moon to invade Iraq and now they're the world's greatest humanitarians about Xinjiang?
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#158Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire countries. Note that non american feel the same way about google, netflix, amazon &co
As a non american I don't feel the same way. Amazon, Google, etc just want to make money. TikTok is (like all companies in China) an extension of the Chinese state, a state that is currently engaging in genocide.
Amazon and Google are extensions of the USG when dealing with foreign nationals. You can assume that 100% of the relevant data is accessible to US agencies.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why does YouTube not change their algorithim. It is clearly sub tier to tik tok, they have the data and skill set to provide new and entertaining videos but the recommended feed has been so stale and stagnant for a few years, constantly pushing videos you’ve seen or ones you clearly don’t want to watch. How much of tik tok’s success do you think is their algorithim for recommending content. I heard from numerous peop…
Yea, It may be as simple as the length. There's a vastly higher frequency of samples when every video is twenty seconds long. It's also clearly designed around a different experience, a constant consume-or-scroll feed as popularized by Instagram. YouTube shorts also has this, but regular YouTube clearly doesn't, given that there's just enough latency between video skips that it feels like the algorithm is "making mis…
Exactly right. More data beats better algorithms every time. Because YouTube is (foolishly IMO) trying to turn itself into television, they've pursued 10+ minute videos even when there's only ~30 seconds of content. Tiktok's success is well deserved.