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The art of not taking things personally

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Re: The art of not taking things personally

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I really dont want to understand your poor behaviors or empathize with an abuser.

Sounds like a reliable recipe for loneliness. All people, even the perfectly nice ones, occasionally misbehave.

what do you want to say by that? you prefer to live with an asshole than be lonely?

Re: The art of not taking things personally

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Its more a guide for pandering to the narcicissts who infect our lives and make us miserable. If you find yourself having to perform these rituals in the workspace, stop yourself. When dealing with emotionally damaged people who never made it to fully functional adult, speak to them in a monotone and don't engage with the emotional manipulation they are attempting. This will confuse them, then enrage them, then final…

Do not empathize with people who are damaged or unsophisticated! Instead, enrage them. Exploit their weakness to break them and bend them to your will. -Jesus

you do not empathize with a sociopath. its their game, they want you to care for them. they get angry when you just say "no" to them. you have to have a cold stone face when you do it, and keep it during their ape like rage in front of you. just "no" makes them psychotic.

christianity is a pro feudal religion wher there is the ruler, which can do whathever he wants(god) and subjects that have to shut up and ready the second cheek

Re: The art of not taking things personally

#173

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The entire article is about empathizing with others...

Its more a guide for pandering to the narcicissts who infect our lives and make us miserable. If you find yourself having to perform these rituals in the workspace, stop yourself. When dealing with emotionally damaged people who never made it to fully functional adult, speak to them in a monotone and don't engage with the emotional manipulation they are attempting. This will confuse them, then enrage them, then final…

you're right

Re: The art of not taking things personally

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post #73

I scanned the page for 'empathy' and there was not a single mention of it. 'Emotional generosity', the thing at the start of the article, doesn't count. I don't know where that language came from but it doesn't sound empathetic, it sounds transactional. I don't really care for what else the author has to say, having understood that

you're right, this article is about brainwashing yourself to be forgiving for the abuser.

Re: The art of not taking things personally

#175

I really dont want to understand your poor behaviors or empathize with an abuser.

Without understanding, we can’t take productive action. Of course, one can instead exit the situation, which may be the right move and doesn’t require much understanding. But that is often not an option.

read Marshall B. Rosenberg, you will know what empathy is.

this article is not about empathy, but about brainwashing yourself. it's a guide how to get a Stockholm syndrom

Re: The art of not taking things personally

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I feel a lot of this advice is only really actionable if there's trust on the other side for the other person to be comfortable with opening up to you, but also it automatically assumes the other person is in the wrong and this advice doesn't really encourage any kind of self reflection either. To know who is really in the wrong often requires readiness to self reflect and an external opinion who isn't likely to take sides.

I feel it might be best to hold off before giving your coworker unsolicited advice and counselling otherwise you run the risk of making things worse by coming off tone deaf, and in worst cases as trying to gaslight them.

A lot of the time you just need to accept you can't control how other people will react, most of the time you can't fix them, and it's not your job to (unless you're their manager lol). By that logic if you can't control their reactions, to the best of your ability don't let it dictate your mood too, otherwise you're letting them control your mood by proxy with their own behaviour

Re: The art of not taking things personally

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> That being said, im not sure i follow the fallacy part. I’m guessing you mean that people who use fragility are doing it shut down discussion. I tend to use it to highlight that there’s a set of people with whom I won’t speak freely for fear of hurting them because their are sensitive. I don’t do this out of nobleness to not harm, i do it to avoid negative emotions from them. > In a way I am fragile as well. Yes, y…

Probably too late to get a response. It isn’t their arguments that I’m avoiding it is their emotional response to my questions. They may have valid perspective, but if I can’t ask questions and feel safe doing so I won’t. I think a person being fragile is independent of their arguments. Unfortunately, people who I label as fragile I won’t ever get to hear their arguments fully articulated due to their (as the person)…

> It isn’t their arguments that I’m avoiding it is their emotional response to my questions. They may have valid perspective, but if I can’t ask questions and feel safe doing so I won’t.

That’s fine. Refusing to engage with someone who holds an opposing view because you want to avoid emotional turmoil on both sides is fair and valid. But to go further and call those people “fragile” is actively dismissing their point of view.

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