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TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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You’ve found those figures from the transparent and independent Russian statistics department giving the figures in roubles?

The cost to hack hilary's unauthorized personal email server could not have been that high.

Hillary didn't get hacked, it was one of the other people in her circle who got phished. John podesta I think?

Anyways. Yeah, phished. Maybe it's super secret agents or maybe it was a teenager from 4chan.

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Approval of their government compared to what? What is the alternative? Chaos? In a democracy you have many parties and points of view which would naturally lead to lower popularity as it spreads over many ideas. Each takes turns and this system renews ideas.

You ever see that photo of the bund in Shanghai in 1990 and then in 2010? Why is it so hard to believe people are happy with this?

The only photo I remember from China in 1990 is the Tiananmen square photo of the guy standing up to the tank.

Did you see that photo in China?

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I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

Perhaps the fact that a Chinese company has grown so powerful will finally spur the Congress to a break up all digital oligarchs.

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post #142

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You ever see that photo of the bund in Shanghai in 1990 and then in 2010? Why is it so hard to believe people are happy with this?

The only photo I remember from China in 1990 is the Tiananmen square photo of the guy standing up to the tank. Did you see that photo in China?

Sorry, I thought you were trying to understand why Chinese people might be happy with their government after you add it all up. If it's just cold war arguments and demonization, I can't help you with that.

Consider, even if you're that hardcore about it, 'know your enemy' has some value. They understand us but we don't understand them, and sometimes it's willful on our part. We'd rather tell ourselves a story.

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I see where you're coming from, but Youtube isn't nearly as opaque as Tiktok. You can actually search for videos on youtube, typically content is longer and has a higher production quality which reduces probability of doom-scrolling. As someone else mentioned, TikTok is intentionally designed to be addictive and gamified, much more so that youtube or facebook. And, objectively speaking, the US government is far prefe…

> The US government only accesses it if they have a reason to do so and subpoena the specific information needed As Snowden revelations have shown, this is not the case. > It wouldn't be hard for them to subtly start slipping in propaganda into the tiktok feeds of countries they intend to invade Last time I checked, the USA were the number one warmonger in the world, sometimes by lying about WMD and going against the…

Nitpick: the USA is not good for the USA either.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

The depressing reality is that your average person on the street couldn't care less. I've tried bringing it up to friends and family in the least evangelical way I can, and the most common response is that they simply don't care about their privacy; to them the content on the platform is worth dealing with an app that's accused of malicious practices and "so what if some company in China gets my data, I'm not plannin…

They may not be going to China, but China is coming over.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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post #125

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The cost to hack hilary's unauthorized personal email server could not have been that high.

Hillary didn't get hacked, it was one of the other people in her circle who got phished. John podesta I think? Anyways. Yeah, phished. Maybe it's super secret agents or maybe it was a teenager from 4chan.

Both happened. The spearfishing John Podestra gmail hack was separate.

The Hilary personal email server used for government business that contained classified information that was illegal was hacked by Russian agents the fbi alledged.

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You’ve found those figures from the transparent and independent Russian statistics department giving the figures in roubles?

From Wikipedia[0], quoting the Mueller report: > The Mueller report detailed that the IRA spent $100,000 for over 3,500 Facebook advertisements, which included anti-Clinton and pro-Trump advertisements. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report#Social_media_ca...

That an outrageous 0.0015% of the estimated 6.8 billion price tag of the 2016 election. Damn Ruskies and their election interference [shakes fist at the sky].

Fun fact, 100k is 0.4% of the price of the Mueller report itself, at 25M.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-2016s-price-tag-6-8-bi...

https://time.com/5557693/mueller-report-cost

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hillary didn't get hacked, it was one of the other people in her circle who got phished. John podesta I think? Anyways. Yeah, phished. Maybe it's super secret agents or maybe it was a teenager from 4chan.

Both happened. The spearfishing John Podestra gmail hack was separate. The Hilary personal email server used for government business that contained classified information that was illegal was hacked by Russian agents the fbi alledged.

FYI, putting in heavy partisan asides in comments hurts credibility with neutral readers.

I think you're confusing the DNC and campaign server hacks with Hillary's personal server she used while at State. No indications her personal server was hacked: https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/18/mueller-clinton-arizona-ha...

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> I stepped back from a group chat because the fellows in it swore by “Mental Health TikTok,” where therapists give mental health advice. This is concerning to me What's concerning about this? I don't mean this rhetorically: I'm genuinely curious, as I've heard people say similar things recently. It seems to me that, like metabolic health, there's a pretty large body of basic mental health advice that's safe and salu…

It was apparent in the group chat I was in that these guys were replacing heavy-duty mental healthcare with tips provided by unverified sources on TikTok. A chat where we went to vent about our frustrations turned into peer-to-peer mental health diagnosis informed by these TikTok doctors, telephoned through these regular, non-doctor participants. It struck me as the kind of thing that leads people to, for example, in…

> It was apparent in the group chat I was in that these guys were replacing heavy-duty mental healthcare with tips provided by unverified sources on TikTok

Gotcha, thanks for clarifying!

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