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> So when Apple and Microsoft buy bankrupted company's patents and use them to sue Google Has this happened?
Not Google but OEM yes.
They're already suing manufacturers with patents they acquired two weeks ago?
When patents attack Android
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The RIM thing was a giant lie. Remarkable that anyone ever thought it was true, much less would be referencing it now. The random message board commentator, seeking aggrandizement among their fellow fanboys, quickly disappeared and erased their history from the net, worried that their fiction would hold legal consequences. As to Android, it is entirely possible that it went from being a Blackberry clone to instead be…
But Android OS doesn't resemble an iPaq, it resembles iOS. You keep inferring that everything presented in the original iPhone was an obvious extension of what we'd seen before, but it simply wasn't.
>But Android OS doesn't resemble an iPaq, it resembles iOS.
Both have significant similarity to a year 2000 iPaq. Full screen mobile device using a touchscreen against an icon grid, onscreen keyboard, etc. The iPaq was a "PDA", however, which somehow differentiates it. I owned one. I know how they are similar.
>You keep inferring that everything presented in the original iPhone was an obvious extension of what we'd seen before, but it simply wasn't.
No, I'm not inferring that whatsoever. I am arguing whether its uniqueness is patentable. We've seen with various iterations of iOS that it is borrowing from its competitors as well. That's how the world works.
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"Apple didn't patent anything first, they bought the inventor and paid him." http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Se...
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make other then to distract from the fact that your prior art argument has been torn to shreds repeatedly.
Are you always such a boring fanboy?
THAT is the Apple multitouch patent that the industry holds as fearsome. No one gives a shit about the Fingertouch patents.
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#195Drummond is very smart. And he's always been friendly to me. But that's not to be confused with Google being the good guy. They tried to buy these patents and failed. And they claim that they aren't litigious with patents, and they haven't been yet. But to paint them as the victim is disingenuous -- while they don't use patents offensively, they have many other tools at their disposal that they do use offensively, ma…
> Since Google knows it has better tools to be competitive outside of patents, it is in their interest to eliminate patents as a source of pressure from competitors.
This is nonsense. Google has a huge number of smart people working for them - if they wanted to enter a patent war they are extremely well equipped to do so. Everything I've seen from them tells me that they simply culturally biased against doing that. They'd just rather spend their time inventing cool new stuff than suing about old stuff.
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In order to patent something, you have to reduce it to practice. That is to say, you have to actually make it work, in the real world. That Stephen Spielburg was able to do it with computer graphics has no bearing on the validity of someone making it exist in the real world. The reason I am hesitant to debate this issue is because, as you have amply demonstrated, the anti-patent people often don't even understand wha…
>Literally, I am tired offending the trolls. You spend a good 90% of each of your posts saying nothing of value but instead offending me and pandering to the crowd, desperately trying to drag yourself to some higher ground where your complete lack of facts is overlooked. I hope no one falls for it. >That Stephen Spielburg was able to do it with computer graphics has no bearing on the validity of someone making it exi…
Maybe go look at the actual patent lawsuits against HTC, Samsung et al., they aren't hard to find.
Maybe you can submit a copy of Minority Report on DVD as an amicus brief and the judges in those cases will say "oh shit, hn_decay's brilliance hath shone a light where before therewith was only shadow" and declare Android "free and open forever[1]"
[1] exceptions apply
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#197Google is lying if they are pretending that Apple and MSFT have started the software patent issues. And they clearly could have tried harder for the Nortel patents if they wanted to. How about try to not just bid a magical number but actually try and win auctions instead? If Google really cared about the issue of PATENTS they'd be putting as much leverage behind changing the patent laws and not just calling sour grap…
The incredible irony is one of the major benefits of patents is "openness" and public disclosure of techniques. The alternative to patents is massive secrecy, sorta like Google's search algorithm.
Isn't PageRank patented and therefore public? I believe the patent is held by Stanford and exclusively licensed to Google.
Of course, Google's search algo has evolved considerably from the early Stanford days and is secret.
I'd prefer that to patents in most cases, though. Trade secret law should be good enough for most things. And I think if it's not, then it shouldn't be patentable. If I can figure out how to make a decent multi-touch UI just by taking 10 minutes and playing with a device that has one, that feels unpatentable to me.
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#198If this was coming from an open source community (instead of Google) that's developing something like Android to give away for free, I would have understood. But, Google gives away Android for free so that it can sell loads of them and there by locking down most of the users (non-geeks) to the Google Ad universe and earn its revenue by selling loads and loads of Ads. Its not like Google genuinely cares about the expe…
Taking a course of action that is in your best interests does not somehow invalidate the premise that that action is ethical or the right thing to do absent those interests.
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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make other then to distract from the fact that your prior art argument has been torn to shreds repeatedly.
Are you always such a boring fanboy? THAT is the Apple multitouch patent that the industry holds as fearsome. No one gives a shit about the Fingertouch patents.
Do you always resort to namecalling? Oh wait I guess you do...
P.s. we're talking about prior art for multitouch, the Fingerworks patents seem far more relevant than your hardon for Minority Report and Microsoft Surface.
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You illustrate the root of the problem. You are not aware of what the multi-touch patents cover, what the inventions are, and you are not aware of what patents are and so you think the movie "minority report" and non-multi-touch touch screens are "prior art". (And FWIW, the stuff in minority report was conceptualized based on the research that was being done by what is now Apple.) I've learned that you cannot argue f…
Minority report was released in 2002. What about interfaces in Lawnmower Man (1992) or Johnny Mnemonic (1995)? Or endless other sci-fi? Sit a UI designer and an engineer down for a couple of sessions to talk about a touch screen (x,y coordinates coming into software from human hands) anytime in the last fifty years and they will come up with the concept of gestures in at most a few hours. What about Douglas Engelbart…
The point he's making is that showing a rendered clip of some UI is not prior art, as far as patents go. You have to actually be able to demonstrate how it works.
If someone develops warp drive or the transporter, does star trek count as "prior art"? That would be ludicrous.
(trying to figure out what comment you're replying to is exactly why whitespace-as-blocks is a brain-dead idea in python/coffeescript)