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TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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who cares about china, isn't this not the same for US companies? why the constant obsession with china? this just complete fear mongering, let the kids play on it.

Because China is an authoritarian regime?

Do you think there can be good authoritarian regimes? Or is democracy the only way?

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This is a hit for US cultural dominance and influence. Americans and Brits, at least in average watch time, are now consuming media ultimately controlled by the Chinese government. And the previous election was influenced by a foreign government using American social media networks to influence, not to mention influencing the president-elect directly. Either America's own social networks are used against them or soci…

> And the previous election was heavily influenced by a foreign government using American social media networks to influence. Heavily influenced is a massive overstatement. Russia spent less money on US election influence than most individual mega-churches.

You’ve found those figures from the transparent and independent Russian statistics department giving the figures in roubles?

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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This is a hit for US cultural dominance and influence. Americans and Brits, at least in average watch time, are now consuming media ultimately controlled by the Chinese government. And the previous election was influenced by a foreign government using American social media networks to influence, not to mention influencing the president-elect directly. Either America's own social networks are used against them or soci…

This is a bit of hit for US cultural dominance and influence. How so? Almost everything I watch on tiktok is made by American content creators..Is TikTok proper even available to Chinese residents?

And is ultimately controlled by the Chinese government

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#114

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Because China is an authoritarian regime?

What do you call a nation that spends 800B on the military while their infrastructure rots, routinely sponsors coups all over their hemisphere and maintains an aggressive forward military posture all over the planet? A democracy.

What do you think the word democracy means? None of that is incompatible with being a democracy.

That's not a defense of those actions, but there's an incredibly bizarre trend these days to act as if words don't have any actual meaning beyond their mood affiliation. Just pick a word from a vaguely-related grab bag ("living wage", "misinformation", "democratic", white supremacy ") and hurl it blindly at the conversation and you get all the retweets you want.

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A couple of years ago, I noticed the youtube recommendations that would get were a lot less interesting, though still relevant to me somehow. At some point I started seeing a lot more "mainstream" content, especially after media companies figured out that they needed to have a youtube presence in order to stay relevant. So I wonder if the algorithm the switched to had something to do with them potentially losing atte…

I feel like some AI has decided that this video is "good for you". I have some videos on my feed for weeks on end. Now some videos I have already seen are reappearing without the red bar to signify that I have already watched them. Something definitely stinks with the algo on YT currently. At least for me

IMHO, we should be able to select or tune algo on YT, FB, Goo, etc. to serve us content. One algo is not enough for everybody.

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#116

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Because China is an authoritarian regime?

What do you call a nation that spends 800B on the military while their infrastructure rots, routinely sponsors coups all over their hemisphere and maintains an aggressive forward military posture all over the planet? A democracy.

A democracy is a form of government where citizens pick who is in charge.

You can have pacifist government against war. You can have the opposite.

Norway is a democracy but doesn't have an aggressive miliary posture. The US has the largest army and probably spends 800b on their military.

Authoritarian government manage by suppressing their own people. This requires an aggressive military presence locally. All of the conditions above could be true as well for these types of governments.

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I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

As a European: this is extremely funny. America has been doing this for years. Apparently only when it's not America doing these things it becomes a problem?

Kinda. Many Americans run around with a notion of some kind of noble entrepreneur who provides the bounty of endless choice in consumer goods, even if it's a corporation. The fact that many different brands come from the same factory tends to be overlooked. Americans are also unique in their tolerance for constant advertising where other cultures would consider it gauche and intrusive.

TikTok is imo goddamn scary. It is explicitly set up to hook people with gamification techniques, showering likes on new users so they come back for more. Only the subject matter is often politics, activism and intertribal warfare.

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To be fair, Youtube VS TikTok is mostly the wrong comparison. Tiktok is mostly competing with the Insta/Facebook I need distraction so I'll let myself be numbed with external impulses as fast as I can get. Most similar was the story feature in Instagram, often also videos, although nobody every compared viewing them with Youtube. Although Youtube also has it's scroll/impulsive it's not a direct competition. Although…

I would not go as far as saying the comparison is wrong. From what I have read about the platform, it is a video sharing platform where teenagers can also insert currently trending music and share the content. There is also a home feed that works automatically by finding the best video suggested by an algorithm. So based on that description, it is fair to compare it to YouTube. I agree YouTube /Instagram/Snapchat sto…

Tiktok videos are on average a few seconds to a maximum of 3 minutes (which is rare to see anything over a minute). A youtube video is 5-10 minutes on average. Comparing apples and oranges only works if are talking about a fruit salad.

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What do you call a nation that spends 800B on the military while their infrastructure rots, routinely sponsors coups all over their hemisphere and maintains an aggressive forward military posture all over the planet? A democracy.

A democracy is a form of government where citizens pick who is in charge. You can have pacifist government against war. You can have the opposite. Norway is a democracy but doesn't have an aggressive miliary posture. The US has the largest army and probably spends 800b on their military. Authoritarian government manage by suppressing their own people. This requires an aggressive military presence locally. All of the…

There's polling numbers on all this. You can check popular approval of imperial wars in the US (it is low), or you can check Chinese approval of their government (it is high).

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

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