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TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #11

I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

As a Frenchmen, Youtube is exactly the same:

- algo is a black box, and uncalibrated youtube makes my eyes bleed;

- own by the biggest spy on the planet, google, known for manipulating information, monopolistic behavior, participation in the worst gov programs (e.g: PRISM);

- impose American censorship rules to the entire world, and makes creators do inane cuts to fit some terrible metrics

Besides, the typical Tik Tok customer doesn't give a damn about those things. They didn't on facebook, insta, whatsapp, or whatever. They don't even know it's an issue, "have nothing to hide", don't care about privacy, power centralization, citizen spying and so on.

So Tik Tok or something else doesn't matter.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by simonh »

m12k wrote: post #16

TikTok seems emblematic of China's overall approach compared to the West - shows up late to the party, but studies all those hard-won lessons to copy and later surpass the most successful Western products. The free market is great at finding the superior product, but it's also messy and wasteful with all those failed attempts - why not just sit it out until a winner starts to emerge, then copy them? China seems to ha…

Tiktok is very much a product of the 'free market' segment in China. The government does have a minority ownership stake in it now, but that's very recent and they played no role in it's founding by Zhang Yiming, a programmer and serial app and online service founder.

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Post by danlugo92 »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #11

I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

> and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire countries

As opposed to whomever controls Facebook/Google?

The ship has sailed. And with upcoming decentralized web technologies that ship will cross the point of no return.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by blondin »

youtube is my main streaming platform, but i have come to understand the appeal of tiktok. most of the things that are inherent to the tiktok platform, i have to manually do while using youtube.

a couple of examples are manually ignoring click-baits, overly long videos and explanations, multiple parts videos (some are genuine, but most are bad-intentioned), creators and channels i don't care about, etc.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by mcclosdl »

colesantiago wrote: post #22
MathCodeLove wrote: post #11

I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

who cares about china, isn't this not the same for US companies? why the constant obsession with china? this just complete fear mongering, let the kids play on it.

We'll see how you feel when China takes over the world and your kids are only allowed to play video games 8pm-9pm on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday... unless you're Muslim in which case all of you can work in a labor camp with no rights or technology.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by spaniard89277 »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #11

I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

From a non-us perspective it isn't really that different.

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Post by nova22033 »

tarkin2 wrote: post #28

This is a hit for US cultural dominance and influence. Americans and Brits, at least in average watch time, are now consuming media ultimately controlled by the Chinese government. And the previous election was influenced by a foreign government using American social media networks to influence, not to mention influencing the president-elect directly. Either America's own social networks are used against them or soci…

This is a bit of hit for US cultural dominance and influence.

How so? Almost everything I watch on tiktok is made by American content creators..Is TikTok proper even available to Chinese residents?

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by finfinfin »

game_the0ry wrote: post #24

A couple of years ago, I noticed the youtube recommendations that would get were a lot less interesting, though still relevant to me somehow. At some point I started seeing a lot more "mainstream" content, especially after media companies figured out that they needed to have a youtube presence in order to stay relevant. So I wonder if the algorithm the switched to had something to do with them potentially losing atte…

Every TikTok user I know tells me that the primary reason they use it is the algorithm. Apparently it’s way ahead of YouTube. Anecdotally I am in the same boat as you—ended up removing the YouTube suggestion sidebar with an adblocker due to its increasingly poor quality.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by blacktriangle »

lm28469 wrote: post #21
MathCodeLove wrote: post #11

I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

> We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire countries. Note that non american feel the same way about google, netflix, amazon &co

And they should.
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