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TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by lm28469 »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #11

I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

> We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire countries.

Note that non american feel the same way about google, netflix, amazon &co

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by colesantiago »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #11

I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

who cares about china, isn't this not the same for US companies? why the constant obsession with china?

this just complete fear mongering, let the kids play on it.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by boltzmann_ »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #11

I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

Sadly, only HN users care about this kind of stuff

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by game_the0ry »

A couple of years ago, I noticed the youtube recommendations that would get were a lot less interesting, though still relevant to me somehow. At some point I started seeing a lot more "mainstream" content, especially after media companies figured out that they needed to have a youtube presence in order to stay relevant.

So I wonder if the algorithm the switched to had something to do with them potentially losing attention from users.

I can't speak to tik tok, never used it, never will.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by anshumankmr »

zaik wrote: post #10
anshumankmr wrote: post #2

Something as massive as YouTube can be beaten. This feels like the circle of life, considering every empire that rises eventually falls too. Though I am not saying TikTok is the doom for YouTube since geo politics will play a significant role its future. And there are other metrics by which TikTok hasn’t probably caught up with YouTube yet like the size of the user base, revenue etc. What seems odd is how TikTok is m…

It would be nice to see YouTube beaten by a more open platform like PeerTube. TikTok is just another proprietary app run by a for-profit company.

It would be nice but unless some massive VC backs it to market it and help it scale, or content creators become aware about it and jump ship, it won’t make a big dent.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by jpomykala »

jeromegv wrote: post #15
MathCodeLove wrote: post #11

I feel like I'm going crazy. Hasn't TikTok been proven malicious in it's excessive user tracking and data theft? Why does everyone I know still use it? Outside of privacy concerns, doesn't the blackbox algorithm make anyone worry? We're building automated echochambers for an entire population. We're giving a Chinese company the ability to control the content consumption, and therefore beliefs and knowledge, of entire…

How is that different than Facebook? We have known for Facebook shady data policies for 10 years, and that has never prevented people from using it, why do you think suddenly people would care more when it comes to TikTok?

US government is simply more civilized and predictable.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by tarkin2 »

This is a hit for US cultural dominance and influence.

Americans and Brits, at least in average watch time, are now consuming media ultimately controlled by the Chinese government.

And the previous election was influenced by a foreign government using American social media networks to influence, not to mention influencing the president-elect directly.

Either America's own social networks are used against them or social networks controlled by other countries are gaining dominance.

It seems nothing other than a decline in American influence in the world. And it comes from other countries outperforming the Americans.

Whether America reacts to this or ignores it through the arrogance of the current greatest will define American power in the world for generations.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by toshk »

anshumankmr wrote: post #2

Something as massive as YouTube can be beaten. This feels like the circle of life, considering every empire that rises eventually falls too. Though I am not saying TikTok is the doom for YouTube since geo politics will play a significant role its future. And there are other metrics by which TikTok hasn’t probably caught up with YouTube yet like the size of the user base, revenue etc. What seems odd is how TikTok is m…

To be fair, Youtube VS TikTok is mostly the wrong comparison.

Tiktok is mostly competing with the Insta/Facebook I need distraction so I'll let myself be numbed with external impulses as fast as I can get. Most similar was the story feature in Instagram, often also videos, although nobody every compared viewing them with Youtube.

Although Youtube also has it's scroll/impulsive it's not a direct competition. Although you could argue any form of time consumption (online) is competition.

Re: TikTok overtakes YouTube for average watch time in US and UK

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Post by elliebike »

jpomykala wrote: post #26
jeromegv wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that different than Facebook? We have known for Facebook shady data policies for 10 years, and that has never prevented people from using it, why do you think suddenly people would care more when it comes to TikTok?

US government is simply more civilized and predictable.

...really?
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