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Re: SpaceX cleared for historic civilian launch next week

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Very cool, but a pretty worrying acceleration of fuel consumption for transit by the world’s rich. A Falcon 9 uses ~75,000 (depending on payload) gallons of RP-1, which is a type of kerosine. Meanwhile a LA to NYC flight takes roughly 5,000 gallons of kerosene (depending on direction). There’s obviously a sizable difference between the number of people in a typical cross country flight and in a Dragon crewed vehicle.…

Yeah, someone over there at SpaceX should really address the issue of transportation fossil fuel use on a large scale. To only build orbital rockets while ignoring the climate crisis here on Earth would be irresponsible.

I've heard that the methane/oxygen (methalox?) used in Starship engines can be made carbon-neutral by concentrating the fuel from the atmosphere... And that the same process can be done on Mars too to refuel the rockets. Hopefully that's workable.

Re: SpaceX cleared for historic civilian launch next week

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Totally agree! I have been avoiding Twitter the last few years but was recently going through Elon’s tweets. Something I noticed is that he is often giving credit to the teams at SpaceX and Tesla. There are a number of times where he responds to a tweet and point out how it was the teams at X company, and sometimes calling out people by name for their work. It was also something during his presentation during the Mod…

Sorry, but why does one go through someone elses tweets? Twitter is focused on current events - and they do not age well. So why read up on the past utterances of anyone? This seems.. strange.. sorry, if that offends.

Absolutely no offence at all! I tend to avoid Reddit these days and wanted to catch up on some SpaceX stuff. Avoiding Reddit means my main source of SpaceX news, a mix of r/SpaceX and r/SpaceXLounge, was something I was avoiding. Going back through Elon’s tweets seemed a decent way to catch up in a general sense. He seems to really like tweeting about SpaceX.

I learned through that attempt at going back through his tweets that, as you pointed out, Twitter is really not built for that. I guess I hadn’t really put much thought it in at the time, was just on my phone, curious about SpaceX, and thought it might be an OK way to get some updates.

Hopefully that makes at least a bit of sense…

Re: SpaceX cleared for historic civilian launch next week

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post #30

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Very cool, but a pretty worrying acceleration of fuel consumption for transit by the world’s rich. A Falcon 9 uses ~75,000 (depending on payload) gallons of RP-1, which is a type of kerosine. Meanwhile a LA to NYC flight takes roughly 5,000 gallons of kerosene (depending on direction). There’s obviously a sizable difference between the number of people in a typical cross country flight and in a Dragon crewed vehicle.…

All terrestrial transport ideas from SpaceX I've seen involved Starship, not Falcon 9/Dragon. I don't know how that compares with a typical airliner in terms of miles per gallon (probably not much better than Dragon). However Starship runs on methane and that should in theory be easy to produce from atmospheric CO2 and electricity from renewable sources. In any case, I don't think many people took the idea of using S…

be it methane or RP1 you're subjected to the laws of thermodynamics. namely converting CO2 to any of those will require more energy than delivered by your rocket or car. also rocket engines are already some of the most efficient thermal engines available/possible, starship won't change that.

Re: SpaceX cleared for historic civilian launch next week

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very cool, but a pretty worrying acceleration of fuel consumption for transit by the world’s rich. A Falcon 9 uses ~75,000 (depending on payload) gallons of RP-1, which is a type of kerosine. Meanwhile a LA to NYC flight takes roughly 5,000 gallons of kerosene (depending on direction). There’s obviously a sizable difference between the number of people in a typical cross country flight and in a Dragon crewed vehicle.…

All terrestrial transport ideas from SpaceX I've seen involved Starship, not Falcon 9/Dragon. I don't know how that compares with a typical airliner in terms of miles per gallon (probably not much better than Dragon). However Starship runs on methane and that should in theory be easy to produce from atmospheric CO2 and electricity from renewable sources. In any case, I don't think many people took the idea of using S…

i heard that it's basically 1000 worst than an airplane

Re: SpaceX cleared for historic civilian launch next week

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We have crossed the rubicon.

Hayley Arceneaux will become the first individual with a prosthesis to go to space. In the 60 year history of crewed spaceflight, we have never put a human with titanium bones in orbit. Nor, have we sent anyone up who has met any of the requirements to be otherwise classified as "disabled". Until now.

It is the indicator of a profound tipping point.

The very first astronauts were required to be "perfect physical specimens" (cis-male specimens at that) that had no abnormal readings in all of their medical tests. Jim Lovell was eliminated from consideration during the Mercury program because of his elevated bilirubin levels, which turned out to be a fairly normal variation of human physiology.

The requirements loosened to the point where Jim Lovell could go to the moon. But most people, including women, were still excluded by NASA's and the Air Force's Flight Surgeons.

Then came the Shuttle program that opened the field wider to more bright minds who wouldn't have met the "perfect male physical specimen" standard, including Eileen Collins and Sally Ride. By the end of the program, the shuttle had launched multiple cancer survivors into space.

However, so far, people who are considered "disabled" or "unfit" by the Flight Surgeon's office are still excluded. These terms cut a wide swath and include treatable conditions such as, Type-I diabetes, dysmenorrhea, endometriosis and - yes- prosthetics. Other than a call by ESA for the first disabled state-sponsored astronauts, no other astronaut corps has admitted someone like Hayley into their ranks. Yet.

With this flight, Hayley will set a new milestone in space medicine. A big one. She will become a test case that can be used to demonstrate that people with disabilities can function and operate in the spaceflight environment. It will break the cycle of disabled people being "flight proven", from a flight surgeon's perspective.

We're now at the dawn of a new age, where anyone physically fit can go to space, provided they have the mental aptitude. It's incredible.

This flight means that I can be an astronaut. And so can you.

Hayley represents a huge milestone. And we owe it to commercial spaceflight. Thank you, Elon and Jared Isaacman (and Axiom Space).

edit: This comment is one of my more downvoted comments. I'm not sure why.

Re: SpaceX cleared for historic civilian launch next week

#46
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, someone over there at SpaceX should really address the issue of transportation fossil fuel use on a large scale. To only build orbital rockets while ignoring the climate crisis here on Earth would be irresponsible.

I've heard that the methane/oxygen (methalox?) used in Starship engines can be made carbon-neutral by concentrating the fuel from the atmosphere... And that the same process can be done on Mars too to refuel the rockets. Hopefully that's workable.

you need energy for this to happen

Re: SpaceX cleared for historic civilian launch next week

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> The soon-to-be-astronauts Maybe this is just me, but I think we need a new word for people who pay to take a ride on a spacecraft but have nothing to do with the operation or mission of that spacecraft. "Payload" seems rude, perhaps "passengers"? Whatever they are, they're not astronauts.

The term itself will become meaningless if hundreds, thousands (millions..) of people start lofting into the heavens every year.

Fundamentally, these guys have about as much control over their experience as your 'real' astronauts do.

Re: SpaceX cleared for historic civilian launch next week

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I think the point here is, this is the first "private" space mission that wasn't using government/military hardware or staff. It is a rocket designed by a commercial company, flying people who just made a few calls and then paid to do it. It is pretty wild when you think about it - not so long ago (10 years maybe?) this sort of thing would have been unthinkable . Say what you will about Elon Musk, but you've got to g…

When we're drooling over these accomplishments, we should direct more of our praise to the thousands of really, really good engineers who did the work, built on the accumulated experience of millions, over decades. People seem to be very eager to ascribe success to heroic individuals, and while leadership is certainly something remarkable, I think that there is a severe imbalance in who we're thanking for these achie…

Compare Musk taking questions with one of the engineers. They answer it; he sells a vision.

Vision is how you get the best out of people - colleagues, customers, suppliers, investors. Like Steve Jobs, he loves the best part of his engineers more than they do themselves - how can you not respond to that?

Re: SpaceX cleared for historic civilian launch next week

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Wouldn't Virgin Galactic's flight be the first for this then?

Virgin Galactic only reached Mach 3 speed and was nowhere near achieving orbital velocity which requires Mach 23 (28,000 kph) ie order of magnitude more difficult.

Serious question: while I understand making the comparison in Mach number to illustrate the difference in speed, is the speed of sound actually well defined near or above the Karman line?

Re: SpaceX cleared for historic civilian launch next week

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post #44
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All terrestrial transport ideas from SpaceX I've seen involved Starship, not Falcon 9/Dragon. I don't know how that compares with a typical airliner in terms of miles per gallon (probably not much better than Dragon). However Starship runs on methane and that should in theory be easy to produce from atmospheric CO2 and electricity from renewable sources. In any case, I don't think many people took the idea of using S…

i heard that it's basically 1000 worst than an airplane

Ehh, someone has already done the calculation: https://everydayastronaut.com/rocket-pollution/

It may be order-of-magnitude worse, but not 3 orders of magnitude (If you look forward to using starship for human transportation)

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