> Now, of course Protonmail has to comply with Swiss law
Do they though? What about even less friendly states?
Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his IP address
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Re: Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his IP address
#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
TBH in 2021 people engaging in potentially dangerous activities should be literate enough to understand, that no business will guarantee them full security and decline all requests from authorities to disclose their identity. The wording you suggest is equivalent of „do not dry your cat in microwave“ instruction - a legal protection from dumb customers, that does not contribute meaningfully to safety. For the non-Swi…
Sure, the wording istingray suggested is a bit over the top. But the existing wording "By default, we do not keep any IP logs" is misleading. Why even say it? They should simply delete it.
I'd read that as "by default we don't keep logs, so we can't be compelled to provide IPs for sessions in the past. We can still be compelled to provide that information for current/future connections."
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#333And, as with hushmail about a decade ago, people will eventually learn that web mail clients cannot provide magic security.
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#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
If they don’t do this then spammers will use their service en masse and degrade the service for all customers by black holing their ips and domain through all other email providers.
Too bad, figure out a way to solve for it. I'm paying for private email service, not a pretty picture of the Swiss Alps on their website. If they don't provide it, someone else will, and I'll pay them instead. This isn't the Hotmail age where everyone expects free email.
They did figure out a way, they ask for phone number.
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#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
The terrible crime of squatting, according to some comments in that thread
Has your home in France been squatted? No? Or maybe you do not own a house in France? If so, on which basis do you ironically call squatting a "terrible crime"? Squatters in your house in France means that you you have zero rights on this place until a lengthy process gives it back to you, ruined. You are then expected to be grateful and can forget about any reimbursement from the poor people who stole your property.
ficklepickle is poking fun at the fact that the crime is minor, relative to the weight behind the warrant. It would be like if the FBI put you on their website and the news stations aired your photo, for driving without a license.
Sure, it's a crime, but it's a relatively minor one. I suppose if you were the victim you'd have a different point of view.
Re: Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his IP address
#336for those who are curious, this seems to be the reply from protonmail on reddit[0] >Hi everyone, Proton team here. We are also deeply concerned about this case. In the interest of transparency, here's some more context. In this case, Proton received a legally binding order from the Swiss Federal Department of Justice which we are obligated to comply with. Details about how we handle Swiss law enforcement requests can…
So Switzerland is evidently not a democracy anymore. Sad to hear.
What does being a democracy or not have to do with this order?
Re: Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his IP address
#337Earlier quoted context omitted.
> 1. Am asked to verify new account by entering a cell phone (bogus) Interestingly the sentence on their front page, right before the most commonly quoted snippet in this thread, is: > No personal information is required to create your secure email account. A phone number is quite a personal, unique identifier.
That's a great point. This should be better publicized. Protonmail requires a phone number to register through Tor.
This is completely false. I have created accounts (for others) over tor, without ever divulging a number. The exit node is a factor here. Sometimes email is required; if the need is there, throwaway emails work. I hate to tragedy-of-the-commons a good service, though, which is why I have a subscription.
Re: Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his IP address
#338What are good alternatives?
Re: Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his IP address
#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
The terrible crime of squatting, according to some comments in that thread
Has your home in France been squatted? No? Or maybe you do not own a house in France? If so, on which basis do you ironically call squatting a "terrible crime"? Squatters in your house in France means that you you have zero rights on this place until a lengthy process gives it back to you, ruined. You are then expected to be grateful and can forget about any reimbursement from the poor people who stole your property.
Squatting is about occupying uninhabited places. It should be welcomed or at least tolerated.
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