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New Evidence Against the Standard Model of Cosmology

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Re: New Evidence Against the Standard Model of Cosmology

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There are a bunch of people with similar thoughts. Just recently a blogpost by Peter Woidt showed up here [1]. While I'm only following this as a lay person I think you can say Woidt and Hossenfelder come from the same corner of "critics of contemporary physics" or however you want to call them. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28325753

Careful there, you're standing on a Hacker News landmine. For whatever reason, whenever Woit's name is invoked here the downvote brigade is not far away.

Huh, is that so? Why?

Anyway, I haven't even said whether I agree with him or not (which tbh wouldn't be very relevant, as I know where my limits are, and judging debates in physics is definitely outside my area of expertise).

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No I don't think it's like that. We know that matter and vacuum clump together at a series of increasing scales: the solar system, our galaxy, the local cluster, some surrounding supercluster, maybe there is a superdupercluster level after that, but the theory being disputed is that the hierarchical clustering stops after those N levels, and after that, the superduperclusters (or whatever) are distributed randomly in…

The local hole doesn't seem so contrarian, as the 600 Mly is smaller than the multiple Gly of the funny quasars.

The multiple-Gly funny quasar clusters are also in tension with the existing theory.

Re: New Evidence Against the Standard Model of Cosmology

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> Two years ago, I told you about a paper by Subir Sarkar and his colleagues, that showed if one analyses the supernovae data correctly, without assuming that the cosmological principle holds on too short distances, then the evidence for dark energy disappears. That paper has been almost entirely ignored by other scientists. Is this a case of science advancing one funeral at a time? We have to wait for the dark energ…

I think this is an aside to what you're asking, but "science advances one funeral at a time" was a clever slogan and not an empirically tested hypothesis.

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> Physicists believe they understand quite well how the universe works on large scales

Why would a physicist write an article and talk about physicists like they were some mystical "other" single minded group of people. I just hate that characterization, so unhelpful and damaging in my opinion, and kind of manipulative to open up an article with that.

I don't actually believe most physicist believe they understand how the universe works, I think most of them feel like there's still so much they don't understand, that it's probably why they wanted to become a physicist in the first place. But I might also be wrong, and in any case, you just shouldn't start your article with a big fallacious generalization that has no data or rationale to back itself up and also somehow position yourself as some sort of "knows better".

Re: New Evidence Against the Standard Model of Cosmology

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"Tired light" has failed other tests, so it's probably not the answer.

How so? Considering all the data on redshift we have, tired light fits. Not galactic recession. Rough calculations https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HI61-pDIzzSItw48K0ga... Data from https://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/Library/Distances/

Galaxies are either approaching or receding from our perspective. How could they possibly be stuck in some "place"? Your theory makes no sense.

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I'd argue that Einstein in particular cared a lot about "fundamental truths". Not everyone can be Einstein, but I'm glad some people care about asking deeper questions.

Ironically, it was Einstein who introduced the “cosmological constant” (and thus indirectly dark energy). I think later in life he called it a glorified fudge factor and his biggest regret.

Wikipedia covers this sufficiently at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_constant#Sequence...

The five-line tl;dr: non-expanding cosmologies with no big bang but lots of galaxies tend to collapse in finite time. One can avoid collapse with a positive cosmological constant. That approach predated the work of Hubble (expansion) and Lemaître (big bang). Expanding cosmologies with a sufficiently large initial big bang do not need a cosmological constant to keep expanding forever. Einstein, not being stupid, recognized that and carried on.

Since 1998: an accelerating expanding universe is inconsistent with just a single big bang as impulse, but is consistent with a small positive cosmological constant.

Einstein and Schrödinger certainly discussed whether to treat the cosmological constant as an energy entering into the right hand side of the Einstein Field Equations instead of a multiplier on the metric in the left hand side: [Harvey 2012] https://arxiv.org/abs/1211.6338 Their conclusion is that choice of side is principally a matter of aesthetics, and that remains true today.

Harvey2012 §5 is a good reminder not to put too much weight into the early days of general relativity. Exact solutions were few and simple but still extraordinarily hard to work with by hand. Numerical approaches didn't exist, nor did formalisms that provide post-Newtonian approximations that are more tractable. Realistic distributions of matter were largely as-yet undiscovered (compare 1917 introduction of cosmological constant and low estimates of the number of spiral galaxies in the sky, their mass, and the light-travel distance to them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Debate_(astronomy) which came later).

Einstein's adaptation to the flood of astronomical discoveries during his productive lifetime is part of what made him Einstein rather than any less celebrated figure.

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How so? Considering all the data on redshift we have, tired light fits. Not galactic recession. Rough calculations https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HI61-pDIzzSItw48K0ga... Data from https://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/Library/Distances/

Galaxies are either approaching or receding from our perspective. How could they possibly be stuck in some "place"? Your theory makes no sense.

How do you know?

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Galaxies are either approaching or receding from our perspective. How could they possibly be stuck in some "place"? Your theory makes no sense.

How do you know?

How do I know that two objects are either receding or approaching? Because it's obvious. Think about it yourself.

Edit: ah, wait, your theory says that approaching objects look the same as receding ones. I think you need to justify that.

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How do you know?

How do I know that two objects are either receding or approaching? Because it's obvious. Think about it yourself. Edit: ah, wait, your theory says that approaching objects look the same as receding ones. I think you need to justify that.

You misread.

The cosmological redshift is not attributable to galaxies receding.

The cosmological redshift is photons losing energy as they forge a path through the gravitationally connected universe. It's the cost of traveling.

Total redshift = Cosmological redshift (photon forging a path through spacetime) + Doppler redshift (for example, Andromeda drifting toward us) + Gravitational redshift (like how Sun-to-Earth photons are redshifted because the Sun is more massive)

Re: New Evidence Against the Standard Model of Cosmology

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Not knowing much about the subject: cosmological principle appears to say that laws of physics are uniform in space. Then, with known matter and forces, this leads to some structure, with fluctuations, and hence some scale over which matter is uniformly distributed. If we calculate such a scale and find matter is still not uniform at that scale, wouldn’t the first conclusion be that there are missing terms in either…

> the c10l principle Don't do this. It is bad enough that every major devops/infra component needs to create some tag, but dropping it in to random places is worse than the regular backronyms and cute project names science and tech people use to try to hide complexity. It just adds confusion for no rhyme or reason other than trying to sound like you are a part of some club of insiders.

> Don't do this.

Do not do that.

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