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Re: Today Sci-Hub is 10 years old. I'll publish 2M new articles to celebrate

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

lcvw wrote: post #5

I really hope sci-hub survives this. Sci-hub and libgen are like an entirely different internet, one allowing you to dive as deep as you wish into any technical subject. There’s really no comparison I have found anywhere for the depth of material available. People always point to Wikipedia, but all of that is surface level. If you to build something, research something, or just really delve into it, there’s no substi…

What about a Netflix but for science information.

Pay $15 a month for access to a rolling catalogue of science info.

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

I find it fascinating that SciHub seems to be highlighting two large issues.

- Globalisation and the rule of law. Mostly that's a good thing. But SciHub would unlikely survive if Russia was unable to give US courts the middle finger regularly over the last decade. I am not convinced that the benefits of totalitarian regime outweighs the downsides but it is a thing

- copyright law is not patent law, science is not patents

So patents do seem to provide a way for inventors to protect a revenue stream. But the model of science is not one person or org does all the research and then exploits it for profit. So patents don't really seem to support science. And copyright has nothing to do with either.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci-Hub

Edit: one way of looking at it is that Science has socialism built in. Patents are a means of encouraging innovation by arranging that revenue flows back to the innovator, as long as the whole market obeys the patent law and licensing conditions.

But apart from "bad" actors, the amount of licensing is vast and probably impossible to track back (you would need point of sale, bill of materials, supply chain data etc)

Science has a simpler answer - publish the innovation openly and assume that the growth in wealth will feed back into general wealth growth. Which is kinda looking like "everyone shares".

So it suggests a singularity style step function - when / if something like UBI works, science will have a massive boost as the feedback loop is not mediated through university grants etc.

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Post by ogma »

animex wrote: post #29
sixtyfourbits wrote: post #26

Torrent seeding effort: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/nc27fv/rescue_... All papers on sci-hub are available as torrents from library genesis. The full collection contains 85 million articles (before this announcement), and is about 80TB. If anything ever happens to sci-hub or library genesis, there's enough people out there with backups that a replacement can be set up fairly quickly, albeit without t…

Is there any legal risk to users in North America that do this? Is this copyrighted material?

LOL you're gonna get raided for sure. The feds are slaves to the RIAA and the rest of their corporate masters.

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Post by baybal2 »

animex wrote: post #29
sixtyfourbits wrote: post #26

Torrent seeding effort: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/nc27fv/rescue_... All papers on sci-hub are available as torrents from library genesis. The full collection contains 85 million articles (before this announcement), and is about 80TB. If anything ever happens to sci-hub or library genesis, there's enough people out there with backups that a replacement can be set up fairly quickly, albeit without t…

Is there any legal risk to users in North America that do this? Is this copyrighted material?

I encourage you to do this in the most audacious, and visible way possible.

Let see how will they sue millions, upon millions of people.

Make them face a fait accompli. They already lost.

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Post by vasco »

btilly wrote: post #10

In https://twitter.com/ringo_ring/status/1414342378765307907 she jokingly asks where her Nobel Peace Prize is. Given how often that prize is given out as a bully pulpit to advance a cause, and given the global debt that science owes to her, I think she really does deserve one.

She needs to step it up by killing thousands of innocent people from drone strikes to increase her chances.

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Post by goodcanadian »

blueblisters wrote: post #40
sixtyfourbits wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably; use a VPN. Yes they're copyrighted - albeit not by the authors who actually wrote them, but by the publishers who require copyright assignment for the privilege of having your work hosted on their website.

So when academics casually share papers with their collaborators, are they technically exposing themselves to lawsuits? Or is being part of a research organization/university with subscriptions to these services enough to mitigate that risk?

That is an interesting question without a good answer. As I understand it (I am far from being an expert), there are sometimes specific exemptions to allow that sharing. However, generally speaking, I think it is a gray area. The journals would surely be shooting themselves in the foot, though, if they tried to sue their contributors. Academics would bring down hell on any journal that tried that. Moreover, it is not clear to me that they would win as it seems to be a customary practice even if it is not an explicitly allowed one. Finally, sharing a single paper might get research or academic exemptions as you aren't copying the whole journal issue. I doubt any publisher wants to go down that road. They are probably better off with the law remaining vague.

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Post by CannoloBlahnik »

blueblisters wrote: post #40
sixtyfourbits wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably; use a VPN. Yes they're copyrighted - albeit not by the authors who actually wrote them, but by the publishers who require copyright assignment for the privilege of having your work hosted on their website.

So when academics casually share papers with their collaborators, are they technically exposing themselves to lawsuits? Or is being part of a research organization/university with subscriptions to these services enough to mitigate that risk?

Sharing with collaborators may constitute fair use. I wouldn't put one of my own papers on my website, though, for example, for something that isn't published as open access.

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Post by laurent92 »

baybal2 wrote: post #44
animex wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any legal risk to users in North America that do this? Is this copyrighted material?

I encourage you to do this in the most audacious, and visible way possible. Let see how will they sue millions, upon millions of people. Make them face a fait accompli. They already lost.

They never target millions. They target one, and ruin his life, preferably one with children so he also divorces.

Every dystopian regime does that.

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Post by apdar »

blueblisters wrote: post #40
sixtyfourbits wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably; use a VPN. Yes they're copyrighted - albeit not by the authors who actually wrote them, but by the publishers who require copyright assignment for the privilege of having your work hosted on their website.

So when academics casually share papers with their collaborators, are they technically exposing themselves to lawsuits? Or is being part of a research organization/university with subscriptions to these services enough to mitigate that risk?

They are usually shared under the title of “preprint” or “draft” often, but not always, before the time of actual publishing.

Always seemed like a grey area to me. We didn’t really distribute the copy of the paper with the journal/conference’s name + copyright - though a perhaps a line under the title: “To be published in…”

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Post by sixtyfourbits »

blueblisters wrote: post #40
sixtyfourbits wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably; use a VPN. Yes they're copyrighted - albeit not by the authors who actually wrote them, but by the publishers who require copyright assignment for the privilege of having your work hosted on their website.

So when academics casually share papers with their collaborators, are they technically exposing themselves to lawsuits? Or is being part of a research organization/university with subscriptions to these services enough to mitigate that risk?

It depends on the circumstances and the publisher. In many cases publishers permit authors to host the accepted version of the paper (but not the final version that includes revisions based on reviewer feedback) on their personal/institutional website and to email copies of the paper on an individual basis to people who request them.

For example, see https://www.elsevier.com/about/policies/copyright (under "Author Rights") for what Elsevier permits you to do with your own work.

On the other hand, publishers have sometimes filed lawsuits against sites where authors share their papers, e.g. ResearchGate: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-06945-6

Elsevier have also sent takedown notices to universities where academics have made the final version available on their institutional websites:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/12/19...

https://osc.universityofcalifornia.edu/2013/12/elsevier-take...

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/newsplus/elsevier-tak...

https://blogs.library.duke.edu/scholcomm/2014/01/28/setting-...

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