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BookWyrm is a federated Goodreads replacement

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Re: BookWyrm is a federated Goodreads replacement

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It really feels like "federated" is to tech geeks (i.e. HN people) what "blockchain" is to a lot of non-tech people. What does federated do for me at all in solving this problem?

Shows that the architects took an above average time considering the space, and that users may be turned off by data lock in due to previous community betrayal.

Re: BookWyrm is a federated Goodreads replacement

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Very excited to see a decentralized alternative to Amazon-owned Goodreads & LibraryThing, the latter which I recently learned is 40%-owned by Amazon through a subsidiary AbeBooks.

I'm not too familiar with the fediverse model. I noticed that registration is closed on the primary instance bookwyrm.social.[1] Is the ideal use case of bookwyrm for each user to host their own instance? Like this one: https://book.dansmonorage.blue/

As a user, I wouldn't want to sign up on someone's hobbyist bookwyrm instance only for them to shut it down later and lose all my data.

1. https://docs.joinbookwyrm.com/instances.html

Re: BookWyrm is a federated Goodreads replacement

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly wonder sometimes if HN is the best place to market a lot of the things that get posted here. A lot of people on HN are developers and I think they post here because it’s _their_ community but in reality it’s actually not a good fit for a lot of products. Maybe some dev/SAAS things, but something like Goodreads? That should be marketed to readers, not developers. The only reason it gets posted here is becau…

I don’t see this as marketing to get new users. It’s more showing peers something interesting you found or are working on. Of course they’ll be happy to get some users from hn, but I suspect that isn’t really the goal here.

That this isn't implicitly clear at minimum says a lot about general shift in tone.

Re: BookWyrm is a federated Goodreads replacement

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It really feels like "federated" is to tech geeks (i.e. HN people) what "blockchain" is to a lot of non-tech people. What does federated do for me at all in solving this problem?

None of this federated stuff will ever gain mainstream acceptance. I would bet my house on it. It adds multiple layers of complexity and a ton of UX trade-off, and doesn't solve any problems for a typical user.

Re: BookWyrm is a federated Goodreads replacement

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post #14

It really feels like "federated" is to tech geeks (i.e. HN people) what "blockchain" is to a lot of non-tech people. What does federated do for me at all in solving this problem?

None of this federated stuff will ever gain mainstream acceptance. I would bet my house on it. It adds multiple layers of complexity and a ton of UX trade-off, and doesn't solve any problems for a typical user.

I wouldn't make that bet. Mastodon isn't mainstream yet, but it does have almost a million active users:

https://fediverse.party/en/mastodon

Re: BookWyrm is a federated Goodreads replacement

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Just had a look. Unsurprisingly, the demographic of the user base is skewed to IT professionals (at least at this time). Whether that’s a good thing is subjective, but I personally want broader perspectives on literature. I think this will be a difficult problem for bookwyrm to overcome.

This is a problem with any similar thing that already has a heavily established site. One is my hobbies is boardgames. The longest running site is Board Game Geek (BGG). It’s age shows (this was the front page of the site until very recently https://www.boardgamegeek.com/dashboard ), but more modern competitors have had issues trying to get a foot hold. The most recent one is Board Game Atlas. They have tried all kin…

hi irrational, one of my hobbies too, currently playing hive solo, mint works an warp's edge). I understood the bgg site was overhauled a few years ago to make it more responsive. I suppose it's more modern and looked better on mobile but I liked the old dated interface as well. How does it show it's age and what would you have wanted? I subscribe to a few geeklists and have my favorite game a subforums bookmarked. I rarely go through the homepage but if I do I like the serendipity of it all. So much content. A "digital garden" where the flowers are the games

Re: BookWyrm is a federated Goodreads replacement

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Very excited to see a decentralized alternative to Amazon-owned Goodreads & LibraryThing, the latter which I recently learned is 40%-owned by Amazon through a subsidiary AbeBooks. I'm not too familiar with the fediverse model. I noticed that registration is closed on the primary instance bookwyrm.social.[1] Is the ideal use case of bookwyrm for each user to host their own instance? Like this one: https://book.dansmon…

That info is out of date, bookwyrm.social is in open registration now. A more accurate list of instances is available here: https://joinbookwyrm.com/instances/. I signed up on bookwyrm.social (here: https://bookwyrm.social), though it took a notably long time to receive the email confirmation message.

Re: BookWyrm is a federated Goodreads replacement

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As an avid Goodreads user, Id say 80-90% of active GR users are female teenagers. Id suggest promoting on booktwitter or booktok instead if you want more traction. There’s also StoryGraph in the running with the same if not more features and a pretty strong network effect already, but still miles away from GR. GR is the laggiest platform I have ever used, and the tech updates are minimal at best, but people still use it primarily because of the network size. Just pure network size.

Re: BookWyrm is a federated Goodreads replacement

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It really feels like "federated" is to tech geeks (i.e. HN people) what "blockchain" is to a lot of non-tech people. What does federated do for me at all in solving this problem?

federated means your bookgroup could set up their own instance & everyone could either post their book reviewws there, or you could aggregate your own reviews into that instance. it's the freedom to start new communities, while still being able to participate worldwide.

it means that there's a protocol there, at the heart, for having multiple parties cooperating. it means anyone is free to build their own server or client. it meams we're not all trapped in one walled garden, one silo, it means the freedom to innovate & evolve.

right now there is not a lot of models for how we the peoe can host things online in an interoperable way. we can still use http & the technology that we have (unlike block chain), but we can use well defined vocabulary (https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#activity-t...) & protocols as a base to communicate & interweave social networking systems.

Re: BookWyrm is a federated Goodreads replacement

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"A portion of the proceeds go towards the Yunakin land tax." An _Anti Corporate_ organisation adopting a very corporate measure in my view. If taxes could lead to justice, then native Americans would be far less prone to poverty, alcoholism and depression. About the product itself, it's hard to see how this is an alternative to goodreads. The federation is designed in a way that silos communities. A great model for d…

> The federation is designed in a way that silos communities.

You seem to have taken the exact opposite view of what anyone in the fediverse would consider this as. This is many connected communities. Not siloed. That's what "decentralized" means, their very first major point on the website.

If there's real gaps in how federation works to connect, the fediverse is happy to discuss, adapt, & adopt: bring on your more specific complaints! This is supposed to be the cure for silos! Everyone can run whatever they want, and we can interoperate! Interoperate & co-evolve.

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