I recommend anyone who spends a lot of time thinking about this type of thing to take a break for a few months in a country that doesn't indulge it, e.g. Russia.
Are you advocating a holiday in cambodia?
How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?
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Us too. I found it super useful because I have lots of Chinese coworkers and I have no idea whether to use “he” or “she” based on their name. Edit: I didn’t see the last bit. Why did it factor into leaving? Were they aggressive about it or something?
As a teacher, I face the same situation. My roster says “Christine” but the student sets their name to “Chris” in the CMS and has traditionally masculine features, dress, and haircut. Do I go with “he” or “she”? Best to get pronouns out of the way during an introduction and dissipate the awkwardness. Sometimes I wonder if people who have the biggest issue with displaying pronouns don’t meet a lot of new people, espec…
But why not just say if a person is a man or a woman, why does it have to be pronouns. When I see pronouns, I then assume they believe in an ideology where people can actually change sex and basic reality is denied. Where people can simply declare the reality they want, and force others to play along. Why does everyone have to play along with this ideology, aka, the pronoun game.
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Modern wokism is actually defined by illiberalism. It's very much about what you are not allowed to do. Not dressing like X, not using Y things, not saying Z, not getting a place at uni or a job due to having the wrong skin color, etc.
Some of those Xes, Ys, and Zs are actually good points and it's good the people who were talking about it all along have a voice now. Just because some people, usually not those actually affected, go overboard or talk over the people they're trying to help doesn't invalidate the concerns. It's actually good that, now, I understand the big ol generic "Indian" with a war bonnet painted in the school gym when I was a ki…
You say those things are “good”, but you offer no evidence of why. How does chastising people for having a “spirit animal” on Twitter help the indigenous people?
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#934Women don’t have penises. Nearly everyone knows this but nearly everyone is a coward
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> Rape used to mean only the last thing and it was regarded as basically the worst form of assault No, it did not. That's why you find courts always charged offenders for multiple different crimes when they are carried out together: rape, assault, kidnapping, life threats...
It's much clearer in German. Rape = Vergewaltigung. It contains gewalt = violence. Stuff like "rape by deception" as a court ruled in Israel because a Jewish Israeli woman had sex with a man she though to be Jewish but wasn't shouldn't be considered rape (I'd argue being the wrong ethnicity while having consensual sex shouldn't be a crime at all). Now we have rape and we also have rape rape, like, the real rape.
Some even consider the financial rape of divorce.
And quantitatively speaking, surely there is some amount of money, which when lost in divorce, is tantamount to the original definition of rape.
(That is, a thought experiment whereby a person might decide a certain amount of money is worth the allowance/aversion of rape of the said bargainer-- such a threshold is different for each person but arguably represents an approximation of a financial quantification of rape-- which, perhaps that amount of money, when lost in divorce, can thereby arguably be considered financial rape)
Especially given that in public health administration, life and health is quantified in monetary terms.
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#937It definitely seems as though specifying your preferred gender pronouns is no longer optional. This is required "in solidarity". Being an otherwise progressive person, I don't feel great about this and how quickly it happened.
If a company asked this I would put "gavinray [I don't give a flying fuck what you call me]". Happy to use other people's pronouns if it makes them happy, it really makes no difference to me, and clearly it's a big deal to some people so I've no problem obliging. But if you ask for something this stupid, company-wide, IMO you're due what you ask for. Because there's my pronoun. Call me he/she/they, or a goddamn Attac…
>I have had to go out of my way to break the habitual "Hey guys" -> "Hey all/Hey folks" though, and I don't find that one unreasonable.
I thought "guys" (plural) was already considered gender neutral?
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It’s a strongly expressed opinion that isn’t necessarily supported by evidence. Do you know of any statistical or anecdotal evidence? I personally don’t know anyone who changed their opinion of GCHQ for better because of their support of LGBT. I don’t agree that it’s so easy to draw such conclusions and exclaim “sure they spy on us but look at their flamboyant support of social justice”.
What? The statement doesn’t make any claims about GCHQ except that they take morally reprehensible actions like spying on people, scanning emails, etc. Is the idea that GCHQ (a spy agency) spies on people a claim that requires evidence?
Greenwald is claiming that people are becoming less opposed to GCHQ’s spying due to their support for social issues like LGBT rights. I am asking whether there is any evidence to support that.
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#939Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some of those Xes, Ys, and Zs are actually good points and it's good the people who were talking about it all along have a voice now. Just because some people, usually not those actually affected, go overboard or talk over the people they're trying to help doesn't invalidate the concerns. It's actually good that, now, I understand the big ol generic "Indian" with a war bonnet painted in the school gym when I was a ki…
You say those things are “good”, but you offer no evidence of why. How does chastising people for having a “spirit animal” on Twitter help the indigenous people?
No one said anything about chastising people on Twitter except you.
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I have had many debates with libertarians over the decades and have yet to meet one who believes in either practice or theory to "literally to let everyone be themselves". Libertarianism fails really hard in situations where you have a lot more overall prosperity if you limit everybody. Libertarianism misses these opportunities because of its blindness to anything but individual freedoms. In economic terms it mostly…
You would do well to talk to minarchists, who are libertarians who believe in small governments that only perform a role of setting regulations and enforcing them, rather than governments being active market participants
I've talked to a few minarchists and I remember them being against almost all regulations and only supporting court systems, the military, and other institutions that could be corrupted if privately owned. This article seems to support my memory of those debates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night-watchman_state#Philosoph...
Minarchy as described in that article would do a very poor job of regulating negative externalities and the criticisms I made in my parent post still apply. I know it's a big world our there and I could probably find a minarchist or even a libertarian who has a reasonable take on regulation of negative externalities, but so far I've been consistently disappointed. And it's not like it's tough to find debates around these subjects.