Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin • Hacker News Board

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Post by devwastaken » Sat, Sep 04, 2021, 5:28 PM UTC

haswell wrote: post #13

Disclaimer: I am not implying I buy into the theories about ivermectin being an effective treatment for COVID. This feels like another situation where the attempts to quell disinformation are having the opposite of their intended effect. Depending on where these people first learned of this drug, there is some pretty confusing information floating around. When someone like Bret Weinstein points out that ivermectin is…

The announcement is for people with basic reasoning skills, not for those that take drugs based on Facebook posts. Ivermectin, like many drugs, is used for various things. COVID is not one of them, and those pushing it have no expertise to understand the medical studies, nor are they interested in doing a comprehensive evaluation. Yet again, actual experts aren't on the playing field, it's talking heads and hired degrees.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Post by AndrewBissell » Sat, Sep 04, 2021, 5:28 PM UTC

haswell wrote: post #13

Disclaimer: I am not implying I buy into the theories about ivermectin being an effective treatment for COVID. This feels like another situation where the attempts to quell disinformation are having the opposite of their intended effect. Depending on where these people first learned of this drug, there is some pretty confusing information floating around. When someone like Bret Weinstein points out that ivermectin is…

The main responsibility for the overdoses falls with the FDA and AMA, which are actively discouraging physicians from prescribing ivermectin off-label and pharmacies from filling those prescriptions.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Post by gjsman-1000 » Sat, Sep 04, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

cultofmetatron wrote: post #30

dboreham wrote: post #16

Note for readers like me inside the liberal media bubble: the Ivermectin craze isn't 100% nonsense where hillbillies take their horse medicine. As the article notes, it's been seriously studied in various countries and so far afaik hasn't been proved to not be effective.

thats a really weird way of saying "hasn't proven to be effective"

Also hasn’t been proven to be not effective. Half empty or half full?

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Post by beaner » Sat, Sep 04, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

gorwell wrote: post #15

Conflating veterinary horse paste ivermectin with the human version of ivermectin is one of the most brazen lies I've ever seen from the American media, who is actively pushing pharmaceutical industry propaganda. Just one of many examples this week: "Joe Rogan has told his Instagram followers he has been taking ivermectin, a deworming veterinary drug formulated for use in cows and horses, to help fight the coronaviru…

Honest question regarding the data on ivmmeta.com: I had heard that there was some pre-existing fraud in some Ivermectin studies. I don't know how true that is. Is it true? And if so, does this website account for that by withholding those ones?

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Post by distances » Sat, Sep 04, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

gorwell wrote: post #15

Conflating veterinary horse paste ivermectin with the human version of ivermectin is one of the most brazen lies I've ever seen from the American media, who is actively pushing pharmaceutical industry propaganda. Just one of many examples this week: "Joe Rogan has told his Instagram followers he has been taking ivermectin, a deworming veterinary drug formulated for use in cows and horses, to help fight the coronaviru…

Ivmmeta is pseudoscientific. It should not be taken seriously by anyone. See a short analysis e.g. at https://mobile.twitter.com/gidmk/status/1422044335076306947.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Post by AndrewBissell » Sat, Sep 04, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

devwastaken wrote: post #31

haswell wrote: post #13

Disclaimer: I am not implying I buy into the theories about ivermectin being an effective treatment for COVID. This feels like another situation where the attempts to quell disinformation are having the opposite of their intended effect. Depending on where these people first learned of this drug, there is some pretty confusing information floating around. When someone like Bret Weinstein points out that ivermectin is…

The announcement is for people with basic reasoning skills, not for those that take drugs based on Facebook posts. Ivermectin, like many drugs, is used for various things. COVID is not one of them, and those pushing it have no expertise to understand the medical studies, nor are they interested in doing a comprehensive evaluation. Yet again, actual experts aren't on the playing field, it's talking heads and hired deg…

Ivermectin is being prescribed off-label for Covid-19 by tens of thousands of doctors nationwide. Are those "people with no expertise to understand the medical studies"?

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Post by Ansil849 » Sat, Sep 04, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #19

Ansil849 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Fool me once, shame on you [Tuskegee] I am so tired of seeing Tuskegee trotted out as an argument by anti vaxxers. The Tuskegee experiment specifically targeted a selected group of African Americans and was an overtly racist program. COVID vaccines on the other hand are not targeting a specific sample group, they are being given to virtually everyone. There's no sample group. The two are not remotely comparable.

It’s not the method, it’s that the government lied about medicine before. No reason they can’t do it again.

What kind of reasoning is this? Even if the government had not lied about medicine, or any other topic before, there is equally "no reason" that they couldn't lie going forward about anything and everything. Everyone and anyone could lie to you at any given moment. What's your point? How do you go on living your life?

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Post by Dobbs » Sat, Sep 04, 2021, 5:30 PM UTC

gorwell wrote: post #15

Conflating veterinary horse paste ivermectin with the human version of ivermectin is one of the most brazen lies I've ever seen from the American media, who is actively pushing pharmaceutical industry propaganda. Just one of many examples this week: "Joe Rogan has told his Instagram followers he has been taking ivermectin, a deworming veterinary drug formulated for use in cows and horses, to help fight the coronaviru…

And from what a doctor told me most of those studies refuse to recall themselves after purposefully and heavily weighting a study that has been recalled for blatantly falsifying data and lying about the math.

Additionally horse ivermectin is a big part of the problem. People are literally going to vets and getting horse ivermectin and taking it. So it isn’t the media that is conflating them. At least not the so called “leftist media”. It is idiots who insist on lying about its effectiveness.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Post by cbg0 » Sat, Sep 04, 2021, 5:30 PM UTC

dboreham wrote: post #16

Note for readers like me inside the liberal media bubble: the Ivermectin craze isn't 100% nonsense where hillbillies take their horse medicine. As the article notes, it's been seriously studied in various countries and so far afaik hasn't been proved to not be effective.

> it's been seriously studied in various countries and so far afaik hasn't been proved to not be effective.

It also hasn't been proven to be effective.

Edit: to further show why this is a ridiculous approach towards using something that is unproven to treat a disease: cat urine has also not been proven to not be an effective Covid treatment.

Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Post by dataflow » Sat, Sep 04, 2021, 5:31 PM UTC

fallingknife wrote: post #23

haswell wrote: post #13

Disclaimer: I am not implying I buy into the theories about ivermectin being an effective treatment for COVID. This feels like another situation where the attempts to quell disinformation are having the opposite of their intended effect. Depending on where these people first learned of this drug, there is some pretty confusing information floating around. When someone like Bret Weinstein points out that ivermectin is…

It's like when the CDC first said that masks are ineffective to try to keep people from hoarding them. People are wise to the game now, and expect that the CDC is saying things to influence behavior, rather than because they are true. Nobody trusts a salesman.

> It's like when the CDC first said that masks are ineffective to try to keep people from hoarding them.

The way I remember it was more like, the CDC said:

- They don't know yet if surgical (and in general, non-N95) masks are effective against COVID-19 spread. They never denied this for N95.

- Hospitals are running out of surgical (and N95...) masks, and given the above, people should stop hoarding them.

That seemed... pretty reasonable to me?

In fact here's a link [1] where Fauci literally said:

> When we get in a situation when we have enough masks, there will be serious consideration about more broadening this recommendation of using masks.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpjmKc2D0Mg&t=1m4s