Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure anyone has a clue what you're on about. Care to expand?
I'm assuming op meant "foot binding". Not sure the relevance though
How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?
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#572As a christian I believe in mercy and grace. And yes, many of us 'believers' have not practised what we preached. Many of us do try however not to be hypocrites. Here's my question. Where is mercy and grace in the midst of wokeness? I want you to believe my christian message but I will not force you to do so. I don't want to introduce laws to force you to believe what I believe. I don't want you to lose your job beca…
Identity politics is a Marxist revolutionary movement. As Lenin pointed out, in the Revolution, morality is subsumed in politics and Revolutionary violence is not actual violence, or rather, it is not immoral. The is no mercy to be shown to anyone who obstructs the Revolution. Phase I of the Revolution is to destroy the values of the "oppressive" preexisting order. Phase II is the realization of the promised Utopia,…
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#573As a christian I believe in mercy and grace. And yes, many of us 'believers' have not practised what we preached. Many of us do try however not to be hypocrites. Here's my question. Where is mercy and grace in the midst of wokeness? I want you to believe my christian message but I will not force you to do so. I don't want to introduce laws to force you to believe what I believe. I don't want you to lose your job beca…
I'm sure many may have heard this quote before:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
The back story of Niemöller is quite interesting. He was a Christian pastor who heard the general message and agreed with the goals of making a better German and having individuals give up some freedoms to make a better country. However, after a meeting with Hitler, some things became very clear. 1) He was being spied on and his phone was tapped (remember, he was pro-Nazi and preaching as such) 2) Hitler didn't care about making Germany better, he just wanted complete and total control over everyone and everything. After this meeting, he saw the man behind the curtain and started preaching against the Nazis and was shortly after locked in the camps. The quote from above was from after the war. He spent the rest of his life recounting how he had failed to life up to his beliefs. Writing and speaking about (essentially) the slippery slope of in-action so others wouldn't end up making the same mistakes he did the next time evil returns. Too many people would rather not do this critical thinking on their own, instead just believing and trusting in others who are "right".
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#574Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some, even most, of the goals of that movement are commendable, with the exception of the more idealistic goals such as equality of outcome. What I find worrying, however, are the tactics that are used to accomplish those goals. I find it hard to understand how people do not see how discriminating against other people because of their views is not the right approach to solve discrimination.
Do you have a few concrete examples of large groups strongly advocating for equality of outcomes? I’ve had discussions about “equality” with folks aligned across the political spectrum, and most everyone agrees they want equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. I’m confused about who or what group is speaking about people desiring equality of outcome. And discriminating against other people because of their…
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#575Our political and cultural institutions are dominated by people who attended those elite schools. This is the next batch of folks who will be doing your IPO paperwork: https://freebeacon.com/campus/northwestern-law-administrator... Now it’s making the jump to K-12. My second grader is apparently learning how to develop an “identity” around her “skin tone” (according to an email from her teacher). This has had the pre…
It just seems like laws with the title ‘propagation of divisive concepts prohibited’ will evolve to an even expanding list of thought crime.
This isn’t a comment on how race should be treated and discussed in a classroom.
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#576Earlier quoted context omitted.
That book relies on the concept of ROGD, which is something that doesn't exist. Anybody pushing ROGD, or supporting other people who push ROGD, is anti-science and anti-fact. You should consider why you feel comfortable pushing something that's obviously bollocks, just because it supports your anti-trans activism. https://www.caaps.co/rogd-statement
Totally off topic, and I have no strong opinion on the whole transgender and ROGD thing (i learned that acronym from your comment), but: > anti-science and anti-fact This combination of words doesn't make sense to me. Science constantly discovers new "facts" that invalidate old "facts". I understand stuff like "the current scientific consensus", but I don't understand how you can call people who question the current…
> sane side of the aisle
That's not how constructive language is done. You don't improve "hyper-polarized politics" by saying one pole represents sanity and the other the opposite.
Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?
#577Our political and cultural institutions are dominated by people who attended those elite schools. This is the next batch of folks who will be doing your IPO paperwork: https://freebeacon.com/campus/northwestern-law-administrator... Now it’s making the jump to K-12. My second grader is apparently learning how to develop an “identity” around her “skin tone” (according to an email from her teacher). This has had the pre…
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#579I think "wokeness" comes not so much from "safetyism" but from a generation who were educated to be critical of their own society. They were raised and educated by ex-hippies, who had successfully critiqued the post-war US. I think this was a pedagogical crime (raising children to be critical). Every generation is supposed to critique its predecessor but teaching critique to children from a young age robbed them of t…
You may have a point. I’ve always seen it as a desperate attempt to be on the right side of history, but there are so few causes of importance left. Of course, with post-modernism and linguistic relativity added to the mix.
It’s sort of interesting it happened so hard with this generation, there must have been some tipping point.
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#580I think "wokeness" comes not so much from "safetyism" but from a generation who were educated to be critical of their own society. They were raised and educated by ex-hippies, who had successfully critiqued the post-war US. I think this was a pedagogical crime (raising children to be critical). Every generation is supposed to critique its predecessor but teaching critique to children from a young age robbed them of t…
Whereas the radicals were more academic, more willing to engage in violence, with a variety of aesthetics that, overall, leaned more towards Black Panther berets (the real Panthers, not the superhero), than toward faux-Hindu paraphernalia. They would very much not have scored high on agreeableness. Their music then would have been funk, in the 90s would have been rap, and now is pop which features, not the relaxed strumming of a guitar, but a marching 4/4 (maybe even a snare).
And, in my imagination, the typical "person on the Right" had a tendency to conflate the two.
If you were watching Scooby-Doo, you'd suspect that Scooby and Shaggy were hippies, Velma was a radical, Fred was a little "Right", and Daphne was just a normcore moderate.
Anyway, the split is still with us today. "Mindfulness" and pop-yoga come from the hippies. Ski-/granola-bro is descended from the hippies. #vanlife borrows a ton from them too, including the VW vans (when they can get them). Permaculture comes from the back-to-the-land branches, and, though mostly "liberal", has even now grown its own somewhat "conservative" branches. And you sense a lot of residual "hippyness" throughout California.
Whereas "woke" stuff -- well, we've been talking about it nonstop for the past five years, so I probably don't need to describe it more. Point is, it's not like the hippy-descended stuff of the last paragraph. It's less Stuart Brand, more Focault and Fanon.
And you know -- I said that "red-state" people couldn't distinguish them. But probably low-tier "blue-state" people can't either. Which might explain some of what's going on.