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Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by Datagenerator »

yunohn wrote: post #285
Datagenerator wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm into watching telemetry data using tools like Pihole, Wireshark, DNSLookupView. Firefox is the only browser which does not invoke spontaneous connections and gives the user the Freedom to inspect and clear the cookie data. Google notoriously creates VPN tunnels to hide what it is sending and receiving. Your browser preference might determine many people's privacy if the narrative is limited to not so important th…

> Google notoriously creates VPN tunnels to hide what it is sending and receiving. I’ve never heard about this, could you provide a source?

The due diligence starts with research on the topic 1e100.net for example https://superuser.com/questions/75841/what-is-1e100-net-and-...

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by bugmen0t »

Regardless of the motivation behind this change, bear in mind in whose interest the company and browser is working: The shareholders.

I can only think of one high-quality browser that belongs to a non profit. Mozilla Firefox. All money earned with it goes back to the browser. Sure, I’ve heard that executive may have been paid a subjectively “too high” salary and however true that may be: So far, no Executive who would actively question the mission and the core privacy principles has been able to stay for long.

The web is the most open, most unowned application platform out there. It’s too important for single-vendor control.

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by KORraN »

kenhwang wrote: post #182
yborg wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox used to show individual site cookies in the Manage Data dialog, this was removed at some point.

I'm running the latest developer build and it still has this. It only shows number of cookies by domain and allows deletion by domain, and you'd have to use dev tools if you wanted to look at or delete a single individual cookie.

> I'm running the latest developer build and it still has this.

Hmm, are you sure about that? IIRC, Firefox 90 had ability to remove cookies per exact subdomain in that view (i.e. account.google.com), since version 91 there's only an option to remove cookies for whole google.com domain...

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by konspence »

SLWW wrote: post #52

Firefox Nightly is a pretty good browser imho Also it just so happens that there are extensions that allow you detailed (read: raw and editable) cookie data for each website you visit!

Minus the routine kernel panics it's causing on my M1.

Or is that defective hardware?

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by notafraudster »

Datagenerator wrote: post #291
yunohn wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google notoriously creates VPN tunnels to hide what it is sending and receiving. I’ve never heard about this, could you provide a source?

The due diligence starts with research on the topic 1e100.net for example https://superuser.com/questions/75841/what-is-1e100-net-and-...

No comments I can see there seem to address VPNs; one notes that if you DNS block one of their domains, they connect via IP. But there's no discussion of VPN tunnels. I made sure to view all comments. Do you think you could forward a link that makes that claim?

Unless you just mean that sending data over plain HTTP to these servers is in some sense a VPN tunnel because the resulting servers could forward it elsewhere?

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by yunohn »

notafraudster wrote: post #295
Datagenerator wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The due diligence starts with research on the topic 1e100.net for example https://superuser.com/questions/75841/what-is-1e100-net-and-...

No comments I can see there seem to address VPNs; one notes that if you DNS block one of their domains, they connect via IP. But there's no discussion of VPN tunnels. I made sure to view all comments. Do you think you could forward a link that makes that claim? Unless you just mean that sending data over plain HTTP to these servers is in some sense a VPN tunnel because the resulting servers could forward it elsewhere…

I don’t see the VPN claim either, as expected.

Most HN comments about these topics are plain FUD, and despite mentioning a bunch of intricate networking tools, the commenter still fails to address reality.

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by lrem »

xg15 wrote: post #280

Out of couriosity: Does anyone know how such decisions are made inside Google? It all seems very opaque.

I'm a Googler working on something else, but I think the rough process will be the same:

1. Product management decides which audiences should get special attention.

2. UX researchers get hold of a number of users matching those audiences. Interview them what are their pain points with the product and observe them stumble through a bunch of critical journeys.

3. UX designers design how that should go instead.

4. Eng (including UI) design how to make that happen.

5. The design doc goes through approvals from all the above, but also legal, security, privacy and other stakeholders.

After that, it's a simple matter of programming.

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by laumars »

ptr2voidStar wrote: post #278
feanaro wrote: post #189

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Let's remain serious. It is entirely within the capability of modern computers to admit a dialogue which would let the user view their cookies without magically exposing them to websites. There is no non-nefarious reason for this.

Thank you. The pretence (naivety) of "there must be a good reason" has to stop

There’s usually a “good reason” — however that “good reason” is subjective to the people maintaining the application and might not align with the preferences of its users.

Reasons don’t really matter to users though. It’s pointless arguing if we should assume innocence or guilt because irrespective of the developers motives, if a particular feature is a show stopper for you then you switch to a platform that supports said feature. Anything else added to colour the discussion is irrelevant.

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by Razengan »

OF COURSE they would remove that option! Google is one of the worst abusers of cookies:

If you use any Google app on iOS, it makes you sign in through a web view, which sets some system-wide cookies.

Meaning if you just want to sign into YouTube, and later search something in Safari etc., you will find yourself signed into Google Search!

I always have to go into the cookies settings and filter by “Google” and remove all of them to get that scummy tracking off my ass.

Same thing with any Google service on desktop browsers.

Seriously, Fuck Google.

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Post by Missthy59 »

lrem wrote: post #297
xg15 wrote: post #280

Out of couriosity: Does anyone know how such decisions are made inside Google? It all seems very opaque.

I'm a Googler working on something else, but I think the rough process will be the same: 1. Product management decides which audiences should get special attention. 2. UX researchers get hold of a number of users matching those audiences. Interview them what are their pain points with the product and observe them stumble through a bunch of critical journeys. 3. UX designers design how that should go instead. 4. Eng (…

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