I noticed that when I click the thumbs-up emoji in Slack, I now have to select its skin color. That's fucking dystopian.
Sorry honest question: why is that dystopian? Also :+1: gives me the usual yellowish emoji.
How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?
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Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?
#82This is just feminine culture. The whole gender/trans movement is to blur the lines between men and women so modern feminist trash can be foisted on everyone.
Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Being required to, say, share drinking fountains or pools with people of another race should not be compared to this. Indeed. And I didn't. I said "negro". Generations of people genuinely thought that was a neutral term. They were pissed as all fuck when all of a sudden it became a symbol of centuries of oppression. And they used language exactly like yours to express their exasperation. But the words changed anywa…
I remember Fredrik Douglass article in which he complained about negro word being used. It offended him. And that was prior civil war, when he advocated against slavery. Which, quite a few people argued is a good thing.
And? What's your point?
Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?
#84I recommend anyone who spends a lot of time thinking about this type of thing to take a break for a few months in a country that doesn't indulge it, e.g. Russia.
How about north korea?
Talk about kneejerk reaction. Or you think country not tolerant to gays is the same as actual living gulag?
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#85See "concept creep" - https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2016-08154-001 Abstract: > Many of psychology's concepts have undergone semantic shifts in recent years. These conceptual changes follow a consistent trend. Concepts that refer to the negative aspects of human experience and behavior have expanded their meanings so that they now encompass a much broader range of phenomena than before. This expansion takes “horizont…
> This expansion takes “horizontal” and “vertical” forms: concepts extend outward to capture qualitatively new phenomena and downward to capture quantitatively less extreme phenomena.... Although conceptual change is inevitable and often well motivated, concept creep runs the risk of pathologizing everyday experience and encouraging a sense of virtuous but impotent victimhood.
Also the dilution in the "downward" direction denies the people with the original, more-serious issues the vocabulary to deal with their unique problems and will eventually engender skepticism in large parts of the general public (e.g. if "abuse" expands to encompass extremely common experiences, saying "I was a abused" ceases to have much meaning, and you end up with nonsense like "Were you just abused, or were use abused abused?").
Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?
#86I recommend anyone who spends a lot of time thinking about this type of thing to take a break for a few months in a country that doesn't indulge it, e.g. Russia.
This probably isn’t the argument you think it is. Many reactionaries seem have a romanticized view of Russian culture and probably would be fine there.
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#87I think this is the result of the gradual femininization of our culture. It started with the feminist/gender-studies types and slowly caught on. Not because people necessarily wanted to change, but cancel culture makes it so that you can't risk nonconforming. At first it was little things like switching to softer language and giving kids participation trophies so that they don't feel bad. Now it's spread to the point…
Women can be bullies too. That's what twitter embodies. The overbearing mother.
Only whites can be racist, only men can bully, sweatie.
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#88I'm glad that the Economist points out at the end that 'wokeness' has become a favorite of business, and the reason is pretty obvious, as a movement it's self-defeating because all identitarian politics eventually ends in infighting, with its subjective, choice and preference based worldview it's actually ill-equipped to move anything. It might exist in academia or PR departments or journalism or facebook pages and t…
I agree, and I'm concerned about the divide and conquer-type of impact it's having in societal discourse. This effect seems way too convenient (and beneficial) for the ruling class, and in that respect, I'm afraid academia may be inadvertantly working against the common interest of the working classes by pushing these worldviews.
The conspiracy theory is that modern “Woke” was a PSYOP to dismantle Occupy Wall St, which it was highly effective at.
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#89It definitely seems as though specifying your preferred gender pronouns is no longer optional. This is required "in solidarity". Being an otherwise progressive person, I don't feel great about this and how quickly it happened.
Id recommend getting outside of your social circle/geo a bit more. I’ve never once experienced this in Denver, and have only ever seen gender pronouns be a thing on linkedin.
>> It definitely seems as though specifying your preferred gender pronouns is no longer optional. This is required "in solidarity". Being an otherwise progressive person, I don't feel great about this and how quickly it happened.
> Id recommend getting outside of your social circle/geo a bit more. I’ve never once experienced this in Denver, and have only ever seen gender pronouns be a thing on linkedin.
I've started to see them in email signatures at work, but only in situations where such specification was entirely unnecessary. Though most cases have consistent enough formatting that there may be some corporate-standard signature template that has it now.
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> Rest of the world calls it 'manners' or 'civilized behavior'. Latinax+, Womxn is manners and civilized behavior? In actual civilized countries you'd get confused look or cuckoo sign. This insanity doesn't exist in Europe yet(thank God), but woke idiots are working hard, no worries.
"Latinax, Womxn" -> Yeah, you totally invalidated the concept of wokeness by two phrases, good job. Despite i have explicitly mentioned that some extreme arguments dont invalidate concept of civilized behavior.
> In actual civilized countries you'd get confused look or cuckoo sign
You wouldnt. Dont make up stuff.
> This insanity doesn't exist in Europe yet(thank God)
Because Europe is not US. You cant rail about others, speak hatefully about minorities, immigrants, less harass people who wear masks or other bullsh*t and expect the state not to drag you to court to persecute your ass.
Just give a try to exercising the 'freehdums' which American right is exercising and see how fast youll get prosecuted in Europe.
Of course, not in reactionary countries like Poland or Hungary. I said civilized countries.