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How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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I think this is the result of the gradual femininization of our culture. It started with the feminist/gender-studies types and slowly caught on. Not because people necessarily wanted to change, but cancel culture makes it so that you can't risk nonconforming. At first it was little things like switching to softer language and giving kids participation trophies so that they don't feel bad. Now it's spread to the point…

> Now it's spread to the point that they feel the need to invent words like Latinx just in case a couple of latinos feel left out.

It's worse than that: surveys of actual Hispanic people report support for the word "latinx" in the single-digit percentages. The word is solely about making the moral crusaders themselves feel holier. No actual social problem is solved by shoving this word into our lexicon.

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I still don't get the term latinx. Have they considered... Latin . As in, Latin America, for instance?

It's incredibly offensive. They're projecting how English works on gendered nouns onto other language (Spanish) and then getting worked up over it. It's astounding that the people pushing the term don't see the irony.

Also nicely ironic that the language Latin is gendered. So "Latin America" in English is "America latina" in standard Spanish, and Google wants to translate it to "Americae" in Latin ("Americas", plural, feminine gender, nominative case.)

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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I still don't get the term latinx. Have they considered... Latin . As in, Latin America, for instance?

It's incredibly offensive. They're projecting how English works on gendered nouns onto other language (Spanish) and then getting worked up over it. It's astounding that the people pushing the term don't see the irony.

I have seen some concern about this issue in El Salvador. But "latinx"? Not once. It's unpronounceable in Spanish. You only see the letter X in indigenous place-names like Mexico or Oaxaca, and there it's pronounced kind of like a fricative version of our H, which can't work at the end of the word. I've heard native English speakers say it's pronounced "lah-TINKS", which is so obviously foreign it's painful.

Two solutions I've seen native speakers employ: Sometimes in written language, the @ symbol will be used because it's like an A and an O overlayed ("latin@s"). When speaking, the only thing that could work would be E, "latines", which at least would be pronounceable and would rhyme. Did the idiot who thought of "latinx" think about rhyming? Spanish speakers write poetry and music too.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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It didn't. It lives entirely in elite society. If you aren't a member of an elite social strata it doesn't impact you and nobody gives a damn.

It really comes down to priorities. Are you rich? Then most of your needs are taken care of and you now need to search for something else to divert your attention.

Not rich? Need to worry about your job? Paying bills? Housing? Food? You have not fuckin time to care about anything else than to just survive.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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It didn't. It lives entirely in elite society. If you aren't a member of an elite social strata it doesn't impact you and nobody gives a damn.

From the article: "What links these developments is a loose constellation of ideas that is changing the way that mostly white, educated, left-leaning Americans view the world."

It's moved from academic circles to "regular" middle-to-upper-middle class society for sure. You can argue that they're "elite" in some respects, but at the same time you're looking at an "elite" 30-40% of the population compared to the single-sigit percentage of people who espoused these beliefs 20 years ago.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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It didn't. It lives entirely in elite society. If you aren't a member of an elite social strata it doesn't impact you and nobody gives a damn.

It really comes down to priorities. Are you rich? Then most of your needs are taken care of and you now need to search for something else to divert your attention. Not rich? Need to worry about your job? Paying bills? Housing? Food? You have not fuckin time to care about anything else than to just survive.

I don't think it's that at all. There are plenty of tradies and other well-off groups without university education that just do not give a shit about this stuff.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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It seems like this question could be asked at any period of social conflict historically in the West.

How did ideas that were once extremely radical like women's equality in the social sphere (to include holding office and suffrage), desegregation, slavery abolition, and many more work their way from the intelligensia (academics, philosophers) to the masses? How did "Marxism" jump from academia to workers in the late 19th and early 20th centuries? The fact that businesses are supportive of such causes is somewhat new, but is likely explained by the same forces that lead to the masses embracing these ideas.

Largely, this seems to be the molding of our social sphere by market forces. The northern competitors to the agricultural South found slavery abolition to be inline with their material interests. Likewise, as the industrial revolution shook up familial units and proletarianization of women moved wives into the factories, equality in the social sphere was no longer resisted by structures that had a material basis. Desegregation could assist in curbing a growing black nationalist movement through assimilation and a reduction in direct antagonism. Ideas are often forged in the conflicts and conditions of the day that they arise in.

Had this article been written in the '90s about the "extreme" gay rights movement, or in the '60s about the "woke" Civil Rights Movement, how many would actually stand by their critique a decade later? Businesses seem to understand that showing token support for progressive issues is better for their brand than silence or reactionary opposition to progressivism (which, let's face it, never holds up well for long.) While I doubt any corporate co-option for social issues actually materially benefits those movements, I can't help but find myself even more cynical about the reactionaries complaining about how "extreme" or "woke" their positions are.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

#38

I think this is the result of the gradual femininization of our culture. It started with the feminist/gender-studies types and slowly caught on. Not because people necessarily wanted to change, but cancel culture makes it so that you can't risk nonconforming. At first it was little things like switching to softer language and giving kids participation trophies so that they don't feel bad. Now it's spread to the point…

> Now it's spread to the point that they feel the need to invent words like Latinx just in case a couple of latinos feel left out. It's worse than that: surveys of actual Hispanic people report support for the word "latinx" in the single-digit percentages. The word is solely about making the moral crusaders themselves feel holier. No actual social problem is solved by shoving this word into our lexicon.

Yep, which goes to show that it's not even about making things better for others.

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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I'm glad that the Economist points out at the end that 'wokeness' has become a favorite of business, and the reason is pretty obvious, as a movement it's self-defeating because all identitarian politics eventually ends in infighting, with its subjective, choice and preference based worldview it's actually ill-equipped to move anything. It might exist in academia or PR departments or journalism or facebook pages and t…

Leftist movements tend to consume themselves in escalating purity spirals. https://unherd.com/2020/01/cast-out-how-knitting-fell-into-a...

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Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really comes down to priorities. Are you rich? Then most of your needs are taken care of and you now need to search for something else to divert your attention. Not rich? Need to worry about your job? Paying bills? Housing? Food? You have not fuckin time to care about anything else than to just survive.

I don't think it's that at all. There are plenty of tradies and other well-off groups without university education that just do not give a shit about this stuff.

And conversely, many starving artist types who care deeply.
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