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I completely ignored the front end development scene for 6 months. It was fine

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Re: I completely ignored the front end development scene for 6 months. It was fine

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Post by bb88 »

zebnyc wrote: post #76

Recently I changed jobs and moved from being a front end dev to a backend dev role. Less framework chasing, more architectural concerns / long term planning, slower pace of development / expectations from stake holders and double the pay. For reference: I used to do backend dev but I did FE exclusively since 2016.

> ..and double the pay.

The problems seem to be harder on the backend, henceforth more challenging and interesting. Also optimizing code for AWS directly contributes to the bottom line of a company. So if you save $10k a month because you optimized some service, it's more likely to be rewarded.

Optimizing web pages make page loads faster, but doesn't necessarily contribute to the bottom line.

Re: I completely ignored the front end development scene for 6 months. It was fine

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Post by tryptophan »

I hate javascript front-end stuff with a burning passion. I wanted to make a small widget, and somehow I needed 100+ libraries for this. The compilation/build/etc process makes no sense whatsoever, and I just type magic commands and hope it works.

I am seriously considering just using something like blazor or phoneix live view so I can ignore front end entirely.

Re: I completely ignored the front end development scene for 6 months. It was fine

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Post by bluedevil2k »

robertwt7 wrote: post #75
gentleman11 wrote: post #44

Haha. I ignored the web dev scene for a year or two to work on something else. Angularjs vanished and nobody will hire you unless you have worked with react. Rest is gone and everyone is obsessed with graphql. Kubernetes really took off. React alone isn’t enough though, it’s nextjs and everyone is looking into trendy redux replacements now. Typescript is everywhere. Everyone assumes you can’t code your way out of a p…

> everyone is looking into trendy redux replacements now What's wrong with redux? I've been using it in my last 2 companies, it scales amazingly and I think that's one of the stack in react that I'm comfortable with

Check out my Redux Toolkit wrapper, I think it makes working with Redux incredibly easy - https://github.com/bluedevil2k/ruffle

Re: I completely ignored the front end development scene for 6 months. It was fine

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Post by haOk »

kongin wrote: post #73
selfhoster11 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rust has a huge exposure in the programming community. I may not know how to write it, but I sure know what it is. It's not just limited to HN in awareness.

>Rust has a huge exposure in the programming community. And it's used exactly nowhere. Can you name one project that is rust based and isn't part of the rust toolchain?

It isn’t “Rust based” but a path to writing Linux kernel code in Rust is being worked out: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/let-the-linux-kernel-ru...

Save you some reading; a path to writing drivers and possibly replacing code that is hard to make work safely in C is where the conversation is right now.

Re: I completely ignored the front end development scene for 6 months. It was fine

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Post by redis_mlc »

smoe wrote: post #66

I stopped following news back in 2011 while previously being "addicted" to it. Whether about about tech, music releases, world news, etc. Turns out, if something is important enough for me to know, it will reach me eventually one way or another without me having to proactively track everything. If I start something new or a have a problem to solve, I research what an adequate, modern way to do it would be. I was fron…

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Re: I completely ignored the front end development scene for 6 months. It was fine

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Post by winrid »

tryptophan wrote: post #92

I hate javascript front-end stuff with a burning passion. I wanted to make a small widget, and somehow I needed 100+ libraries for this. The compilation/build/etc process makes no sense whatsoever, and I just type magic commands and hope it works. I am seriously considering just using something like blazor or phoneix live view so I can ignore front end entirely.

You can use raw JS with rollup :)

Also blazor and phoenix will be more magical abstraction. Basically have to stand on the shoulders of giants these days.

Re: I completely ignored the front end development scene for 6 months. It was fine

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Post by ridiculous_fish »

tryptophan wrote: post #92

I hate javascript front-end stuff with a burning passion. I wanted to make a small widget, and somehow I needed 100+ libraries for this. The compilation/build/etc process makes no sense whatsoever, and I just type magic commands and hope it works. I am seriously considering just using something like blazor or phoneix live view so I can ignore front end entirely.

Why did you need any libraries? Why not just use vanilla JS?

Re: I completely ignored the front end development scene for 6 months. It was fine

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Post by the__alchemist »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #62
the__alchemist wrote: post #29

I've found the way to reduce churn the most is discard frameworks and DSLs whenever possible. This morning, I rewrote a page of frontend code for a scheduling webapp. I'd initially built it in TS/React years ago. Switched to Rust/WASM with a custom VDOM-based framework a year ago. I'm reasonably confident I won't rewrite it again in a new framework: the new page is an HTML document with an included JS script that per…

Why was the TS/react rewrite needed? Had react or ts broken it’s api?

React didn't substantially improve code flow, and added a dependency, config, a build step, and DSL. Typescript added a build step and config.

Stated another way: The new page is a single file written in web standards. The React/TS way is more complicated, requires a bigger download, and is slower.

Re: I completely ignored the front end development scene for 6 months. It was fine

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Post by sumedh »

bb88 wrote: post #91
zebnyc wrote: post #76

Recently I changed jobs and moved from being a front end dev to a backend dev role. Less framework chasing, more architectural concerns / long term planning, slower pace of development / expectations from stake holders and double the pay. For reference: I used to do backend dev but I did FE exclusively since 2016.

> ..and double the pay. The problems seem to be harder on the backend, henceforth more challenging and interesting. Also optimizing code for AWS directly contributes to the bottom line of a company. So if you save $10k a month because you optimized some service, it's more likely to be rewarded. Optimizing web pages make page loads faster, but doesn't necessarily contribute to the bottom line.

It does but its hard to quantify, if your site loads in 4 seconds but after a change the sites loading time becomes 8 seconds you will lose some people who will be annoyed and wont sign up.

Google bots might prefer another site which loads faster compared to your site which will affect SEO.

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