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Re: Web-based editor

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Post by Godel_unicode » Fri, Sep 03, 2021, 2:22 PM UTC

TooKool4This wrote: post #158

mytailorisrich wrote: post #111

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I have never used vim in my life (20 years in dev. including on linux and used linux since the late 90s). Many people talk about vim lately, probably the most I've seen and I'm still not sure why. That said, VSCode is very good. But I don't believe in a web-based IDE and in remote Github repos. That's a recipe for disaster and unescapable vendor lock-in, and in any case it's only an option for web dev., really. Edit:…

> Many people talk about vim lately, probably the most I've seen and I'm still not sure why. Extrapolating from personal experience, I think this might be down to Covid WFH where more people have had to ssh into remote machines and may need to edit files so might choose to use vim as it’s easily available. And vim is something that I find is better learned progressively where you pick up 1 or 2 tricks every week or s…

For what it's worth, you can open a remote directory via SSH from vscode. https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/linux

Want to have your mind blown? Microsoft (yes that Microsoft) officially supports remote development on Windows Server via SSH. As in, run vscode on your Linux box, create an SSH remote on your Windows Server, develop remotely on the server via SSH. Fully supported.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by moogly » Fri, Sep 03, 2021, 2:22 PM UTC

lucis wrote: post #136

moogly wrote: post #52

I've been using this for a while. Very, very, very handy for - Just exploring some code. - Quickly pull up as reference code w/ decent navigation without having to checkout locally or navigate forward/back in the source tree in GitHub. - When reviewing PRs and wanting to check out some surrounding code that is not part of the actual PR. - If you want to quickly commit something really small and trivial in master/a br…

I was showing my friends just yesterday how amazed I was for Command + P working as an app shortcut on github.dev. Did you try this recently?

Thanks! It didn't use to work so I haven't tried it in a while (Firefox).

Now I just have to change the other bindings (and relearn).

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by mritchie712 » Fri, Sep 03, 2021, 2:25 PM UTC

tyingq wrote: post #200

I wonder if this results in some amount of lower quality pull requests since the "barrier to entry" is now pretty low. On the other hand, it might open up more people that can help with documentation bugs and similar.

I think the net effect will be positive. Especially on documentation where adding some detail or gotcha is low risk but could possibly save someone else hours.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by jrm4 » Fri, Sep 03, 2021, 2:25 PM UTC

Convenient, but also, be wary to the extent that this might be steps toward the "Microsoft controls all the code" ecosystem.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by mritchie712 » Fri, Sep 03, 2021, 2:27 PM UTC

dleslie wrote: post #188

sidk24 wrote: post #67

I am still proud of [github1s]( https://github.com/conwnet/github1s ) No Credits given :( => https://github.com/conwnet/github1s/issues/346

Are you alleging that GitHub was aware of this and copied it? Personally, this is the first that I've heard of 1s, but I'm conversely aware that Microsoft has been working on cloud based development with vscode for a while now.

github1s has 20k stars, so I'd imagine someone on the team saw it. Not saying they "stole it"... it's a pretty obvious idea considering MS owns GH and VS code.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by gclawes » Fri, Sep 03, 2021, 2:29 PM UTC

So if VS Code can run as a web-based editor like this, what's the major difference between VS Code and Eclipse Theia (derived from VSCode)?

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by teekert » Fri, Sep 03, 2021, 2:29 PM UTC

junon wrote: post #91

teekert wrote: post #83

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You get downvoted but I also have that little voice in my head. I keep thinking about hitting a point of no return with my dependency on Microsoft. But I'm not there yet, I could untangle fairly quickly, fairly painlessly. Moreover, many of MS' recent stuff is FOSS, they can change it, but we can fork it. And competitors like GitLab are still alive and kicking, not suffering by the looks of it. But the little voice i…

Yeah the downvotes don't surprise me, but their strategy has existed historically - proven, as it were - and thus I have to assume they still employ these tactics. At least from the outside, it sure seems so.

Tbh I think they have bettered themselves. I'm not so afraid of it. Companies can change, Satya is an admirable man, he always comes across as wise. Well, I guess the same could be said of Ballmer, some videos being a BIG exception of course. But it doesn't hurt to keep an eye on them ;)

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by Shorel » Fri, Sep 03, 2021, 2:30 PM UTC

azalemeth wrote: post #14

Am I alone in not jumping on the Visual Studio [Code] bandwagon? Other online editors have had "vim modes" for ages (e.g. Overleaf) and frankly I'm unlikely to write a chonking great script or project in a browser on Github -- a minor modification is much more likely. VS Code's codebase is huge . Will Github allow people to use other $EDITORs? (Yes, I'm aware this makes me sound like an old man!)

No sir. I jumped on the SublimeText bandwagon long ago, and I don't see any reason to change to a slower editor.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by symlinkk » Fri, Sep 03, 2021, 2:32 PM UTC

itronitron wrote: post #167

azalemeth wrote: post #14

Am I alone in not jumping on the Visual Studio [Code] bandwagon? Other online editors have had "vim modes" for ages (e.g. Overleaf) and frankly I'm unlikely to write a chonking great script or project in a browser on Github -- a minor modification is much more likely. VS Code's codebase is huge . Will Github allow people to use other $EDITORs? (Yes, I'm aware this makes me sound like an old man!)

I tried VS Code for over a year and consider it severely lacking features that most IDEs had fifteen years ago. GitHub should reconsider whether they really want to be reminding everyone that MSFT owns them.

What features?

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by easton » Fri, Sep 03, 2021, 2:34 PM UTC

siproprio wrote: post #170

_fat_santa wrote: post #159

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> There is no equally useable OSS version, as the Microsoft distribution has become more dependent on services and blobs Check out VSCodium, similar to Chrome/Chromium, it's just VSCode minus all the related Microsoft stuff.

Yeah, but the vscode team is actively trying to break vscodium.

Can you point to how? Pretty much all of the functionality Microsoft has made that is proprietary they’ve packaged inside extensions. The app itself works fine without those extensions.