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Show HN: A tool for your learning, like Anki and Notion in one

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Re: Show HN: A tool for your learning, like Anki and Notion in one

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Post by d4rkp4ttern »

SunghoYahng wrote: post #23
siva7 wrote: post #20

I have no idea what your app does besides flashcards because your landing page doesn't give much information

Maybe this explanation is helpful: There is an old, tried-and-tested learning algorithm called SR (Spaced Repetition) (The algorithm used to determine when to show cards in flashcard programs) The problem is that SR is a tool that only fits 1:1 structures, and this structure does not match the structure of knowledge What fits this structure is as simple as country–capital pairs or word–meaning pairs, but not general…

Thank you for this explanation. I am one of those who see the comments first before going to the actual app :)

One thing stood out to me in your explanation — you say “tree structure” is a natural way to organize knowledge.

Why is that the case? I generally use one of the modern “tools of thought” (first Roam and now mem.ai) and in these tools, you just dump notes and add tags and and links among notes, so you have a general graph structure (from the links) overlayed with tags.

Re: Show HN: A tool for your learning, like Anki and Notion in one

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Post by [deleted] »

Apfel wrote: post #68
SunghoYahng wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand, Mochi is one of so many "Pretty Anki"s. Maybe it's better than Anki because it's Prettier. But, of course, compared to Note Garden, it's sloppy. It is very outdated in that you have to create cards one by one. The cards that are made even after doing the labor are just messed up cards that are not connected to each other.

This is a pretty unpleasant response. Your app very strongly fits my interests but your replies have put a bad taste in my mouth.

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Re: Show HN: A tool for your learning, like Anki and Notion in one

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Post by [deleted] »

Apfel wrote: post #68
SunghoYahng wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand, Mochi is one of so many "Pretty Anki"s. Maybe it's better than Anki because it's Prettier. But, of course, compared to Note Garden, it's sloppy. It is very outdated in that you have to create cards one by one. The cards that are made even after doing the labor are just messed up cards that are not connected to each other.

This is a pretty unpleasant response. Your app very strongly fits my interests but your replies have put a bad taste in my mouth.

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Re: Show HN: A tool for your learning, like Anki and Notion in one

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Post by pps »

j-pb wrote: post #69
SunghoYahng wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand, Mochi is one of so many "Pretty Anki"s. Maybe it's better than Anki because it's Prettier. But, of course, compared to Note Garden, it's sloppy. It is very outdated in that you have to create cards one by one. The cards that are made even after doing the labor are just messed up cards that are not connected to each other.

I think you underestimate the value that creating the cards individually provides. For me the first learning step is the way I create and structure the card, think about mnemonics, add a photo e.t.c. Mochi is a great help there, since it provides a lot of small conveniences especially for language learning. The ability to automatically add a translation and spoken pronunciations is super nice and built in a way that…

I totally agree, even though I'm not using that, Mochi is really well thought-out and maintained app. I'm testing it from time to time and it's always better, I'm pretty sure some day I'll switch to them. They allow for hierarchical structure of your notes/cards and also you can easily link between them with [[wikilinks]] (with auto backlinks).

Re: Show HN: A tool for your learning, like Anki and Notion in one

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Post by kiba »

1123581321 wrote: post #37
tifadg1 wrote: post #30

I hate to be a downer, but I found the following using anki - so basically anything with SM2 algorithm, no matter the UI - as a learning tool for my tech notes: 1) it doesn't scale. You'll be overwhelmed with repetitions once you're in the high hundreds, and you will be if using Q/A style questions. And what's your daily strategy once it hits thousands? 2) I've converted all my notes from libreoffice writer to anki u…

Anki does scale. It won’t ask a new user to review too many cards per day. As cards are memorized the increasingly spaced intervals make room for new cards. So if you dump a thousand cards in at once, which you shouldn’t do, you’ll be directed to load them into the memorization process over several weeks of daily reviewing. Agree that most notes from other documents don’t make good cards. Making your own cards is wor…

If I remember correctly, the default is 20 new cards a day which is IMO still too much.

Anyway, Anki scale in the sense that you don't have to do thousand cards if you don't want to. But the UI was designed to help combat psychological problems of tackling an intimidating amount of cards.

Re: Show HN: A tool for your learning, like Anki and Notion in one

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Post by rito_ »

SunghoYahng wrote: post #15
eminemence wrote: post #6

I downloaded it and installed it, but could not try as it requires a signup with email! 1. The feature set on paper is impressive, but there should be a way of trying out the limited features in offline mode, without requiring a mandatory sign-up. So consider adding a demo mode both in the downloaded and web version. 2. Is there a way to host data locally? 3. The Privacy policy & Terms of service take forever to load…

1. Originally, there was the function for trying it out without sign-up, but that function was removed. Our marketers didn't want that feature. I'm sorry. 2. It can't be. But you can use the app offline or by exporting & importing local data. 3. I'm sorry. I have nothing else to say but to reload. It's fine on our side.

Not being able to host data locally kills it for me.

That is why I use Obsidian. Even after 10 years, even if the company doesn't exist anymore, I still have my markdown files.

This is a must for me to use any note or similar app.

Please consider adding options to back up data locally.

How are you going to monetize it? If you have a one-time payment option, and add options to back up data locally in a human readable format (txt, md, etc), then I will easily pay 15-20$ for it.

Re: Show HN: A tool for your learning, like Anki and Notion in one

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Post by opan »

snvzz wrote: post #52
SunghoYahng wrote: post #2

Hey Hackers, The main concepts of this app are 1. Take notes in a tree structure. 2. Test immediately without wasting time and effort to create flashcards separately. 3. Review with the optimal learning cycle calculated by the SR algorithm. This is probably the question you are most curious about. “What is the difference with other competitors?” The long and nerdy answer: https://learnobit.postach.io/post/to-everyone…

Hacker roleplayer here. My most immediate questions are: 1. Where is the source code? 2. What is the license?

I had the same questions. Skimming the other comments, it sounds like it's proprietary. It boggles my mind that people think they have an alternative to anki when it's not free software.

Re: Show HN: A tool for your learning, like Anki and Notion in one

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Post by SecurityLagoon »

Apfel wrote: post #68
SunghoYahng wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand, Mochi is one of so many "Pretty Anki"s. Maybe it's better than Anki because it's Prettier. But, of course, compared to Note Garden, it's sloppy. It is very outdated in that you have to create cards one by one. The cards that are made even after doing the labor are just messed up cards that are not connected to each other.

This is a pretty unpleasant response. Your app very strongly fits my interests but your replies have put a bad taste in my mouth.

I think this is just an ESL tone misunderstanding. The content of their post is completely fair and highlights why looking pretty doesn't automatically make it a good product. Nothing about it came off as intentionally trying to be offensive to me.

Re: Show HN: A tool for your learning, like Anki and Notion in one

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Post by SecurityLagoon »

u40as7 wrote: post #22

Interesting project! Wondering if it’s open source ? Also I’d be interested to know a little more about the translation from notes to testing. To me it seems when I’ve used Anki that it takes great care and time to make a well formed question. A poorly formed question has a massive detriment in knowledge recall. Just wondering how you’ve managed to bridge that dilemma to automate the process. Very interested in contr…

Agree, would much rather this was an open source project like Anki and then charge for extra services like cloud sync or whatever to generate revenue.

I feel very uncomfortable contributing huge amounts of content to a product that I have no control over. With no Linux version I can only submit all my data to the cloud. It does appear you can export to JSON or Anki deck though so you could always do regular exports to ensure you have a copy of your data.

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