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Re: Web-based editor

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Post by pjmlp »

ausudhz wrote: post #31
throwaway47292 wrote: post #20

It seems we are moving to a world of magic, where developers will be alchemists, and only a handful of people will understand "physics" or "chemistry" and know what is actually going on in the cloud, serverless, fileless, functionless development. Since google translate and google maps, I always ask myself, what is the real price for this very convenient and engaging product.

I see this happening a lot with the young engineers. Very few of them really know what's happening under the hoods.

That is why a proper engineering degree should cover all levels.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by pjmlp »

debarshri wrote: post #44
ausudhz wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this happening a lot with the young engineers. Very few of them really know what's happening under the hoods.

I am pretty much sure engineers from late 70s said the same for young engineers. Same for the engineers from 80s for those in 90s. And the trend continues. I think servers becomes the new processors and the abstraction gets higher and higher. It is the nature of evolution whether you like it or not.

While true, it also depends pretty much on the quality of what the university was teaching during those 3 to 5 years of engineering degree.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by teekert »

junon wrote: post #37
greatgib wrote: post #10

Remember the typical Microsoft: "embrace, extend, extinguish" ...

For those unaware: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis... > "Embrace, extend, and extinguish" (EEE) . . . is a phrase that the U.S. Department of Justice found that was used internally by Microsoft to describe its strategy for entering product categories involving widely used standards, extending those standards with proprietary capabilities, and then using those differences in order to stron…

You get downvoted but I also have that little voice in my head. I keep thinking about hitting a point of no return with my dependency on Microsoft. But I'm not there yet, I could untangle fairly quickly, fairly painlessly. Moreover, many of MS' recent stuff is FOSS, they can change it, but we can fork it. And competitors like GitLab are still alive and kicking, not suffering by the looks of it.

But the little voice indeed remains.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by CodeGlitch »

cube00 wrote: post #13
amitport wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it scary?

It's the end of being able purchase any kind of perpetual license to your software. It'll all be on the web and it will be paid per month. When that meets a company with an aggressive sunset policy or if they have an outage it won't be a good time.

But with opensource software I can run it on any server I want (AWS, Azure, my own). I'm still in control.

I do this for all sorts of applications.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by pjmlp »

azalemeth wrote: post #14

Am I alone in not jumping on the Visual Studio [Code] bandwagon? Other online editors have had "vim modes" for ages (e.g. Overleaf) and frankly I'm unlikely to write a chonking great script or project in a browser on Github -- a minor modification is much more likely. VS Code's codebase is huge . Will Github allow people to use other $EDITORs? (Yes, I'm aware this makes me sound like an old man!)

Nope, I am just dragged into it for workflows where there are no options, I rather stay on IDEs and native editors otherwise.

Still have some hope that eventually it gets redone in React Native or something.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by pjmlp »

stabbles wrote: post #23
zz865 wrote: post #2

Its scary we're heading towards a situation where everything is done in a browser. Maybe Chromeos really is the future.

I used to think this was pushed by some of the large tech companies that do not have a popular OS and are forced to turn the browser effectively into an OS. But both Github and VS code are owned by Microsoft now.

They are pushing Azure Cloud OS, Microsoft's timesharing platform. :)

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by pjmlp »

Vespasian wrote: post #42
cube00 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the end of being able purchase any kind of perpetual license to your software. It'll all be on the web and it will be paid per month. When that meets a company with an aggressive sunset policy or if they have an outage it won't be a good time.

It probably requires updating user protection laws to deal with new business models and enforce interoperability. We are still in the Wild West Phase of SAAS.

We already have a draft of them from timesharing days.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by pjmlp »

greatgib wrote: post #10

Remember the typical Microsoft: "embrace, extend, extinguish" ...

Except everyone is on the game to bring back timesharing as main computing model, Microsoft isn't alone.

Outside games, even most native mobile apps don't work without their timesharing infrastructure.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by smackeyacky »

stabbles wrote: post #23
zz865 wrote: post #2

Its scary we're heading towards a situation where everything is done in a browser. Maybe Chromeos really is the future.

I used to think this was pushed by some of the large tech companies that do not have a popular OS and are forced to turn the browser effectively into an OS. But both Github and VS code are owned by Microsoft now.

It smells to me like Microsoft have realised Windows is heading the way of VMS and they need an exit strategy. Its no coincidence windows 11 pro has a built in wayland compositor to go with WSL2.

Re: Web-based editor

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Post by luke2m »

gtirloni wrote: post #21
azalemeth wrote: post #14

Am I alone in not jumping on the Visual Studio [Code] bandwagon? Other online editors have had "vim modes" for ages (e.g. Overleaf) and frankly I'm unlikely to write a chonking great script or project in a browser on Github -- a minor modification is much more likely. VS Code's codebase is huge . Will Github allow people to use other $EDITORs? (Yes, I'm aware this makes me sound like an old man!)

Are the other $EDITORS able to run inside a web browser?

Phoenix (https://github.com/aicore/phoenix) is working on brackets in the browser.
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