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Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by lupire »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #93
moistly wrote: post #91

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Can also be due to hormonal issues, which in turn may be exacerbated by gut micro biome issues.

I'm sure there are many factors. At one point while very sick and homeless, I was coming across like a bipolar person to some degree. I did some research and adjusted my diet to shut that down. I imagine that poverty and poor diet do all kinds of bad things to the populations that tend to be most at risk of ending up in jail in the US. I have at times fantasized about trying to do something about nutrition in the US…

Problem is, government food is junk food carbs and oils, not healthy vegetables. Getting thr government into nutrition instread of cheap carbs for prison-industrial complex corporate graft, is a tall order.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by tclancy »

yomly wrote: post #150
tclancy wrote: post #135

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What value do you see in it as a long-term teaching tool? Whenever I have caught myself feeling that way it’s because they’ve done something risky that has scared me at a subconscious level and I want to lash out. I’ve never once had a rational reason for feeling that way.

I guess the two values I see are having an extra level in your varieties of punishment - a "nuclear option" perhaps. The other is softer - I am curious how normalising pain may positively benefit a developing child. Could it build toughness? Might my child be more likely to stand up to a bully? From a self defence perspective, a big part of personal development is overcoming aversion to pain - eg not flinching in box…

That sounds really sad to me.

>I am curious how normalising pain may positively benefit a developing child

I feel like this is a story we were handed in prior generations (for context, I am 45) where people (specifically men) need to be "tough" but I don't think anyone really defined what that meant or why.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by yomly »

tclancy wrote: post #172
yomly wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess the two values I see are having an extra level in your varieties of punishment - a "nuclear option" perhaps. The other is softer - I am curious how normalising pain may positively benefit a developing child. Could it build toughness? Might my child be more likely to stand up to a bully? From a self defence perspective, a big part of personal development is overcoming aversion to pain - eg not flinching in box…

That sounds really sad to me. >I am curious how normalising pain may positively benefit a developing child I feel like this is a story we were handed in prior generations (for context, I am 45) where people (specifically men) need to be "tough" but I don't think anyone really defined what that meant or why.

I'm up for debating whether hitting your children makes them tough - I'm on the fence personally.

Maybe tough is a dirty word. Not tough in the toxic masculine sense but tough as in resilient.

Being physically tough can often build a self confidence and mental strength that many people underestimate.

You'll never get me to agree that people don't need to be tough. Just as you should wear a seatbelt even if you're the safest driver in the world, you should be tough because you never know when adversity may come. Just like how you can't control for drivers around you. Maybe in a world only operating self driving cars can we stop wearing seat belts - and yet random failure will still happen. Bad weather, network failure, cosmic ray bitflips take your pick.

Given you are 45, people of your parents' generations came from truly tough times. Plenty of people I know from my parents' generation remember what was like to be truly hungry.

I've seen the UK slowly become more violent and dangerous in my own lifetime.

We're facing increasingly unequal times, geopolitical tensions are high as world powers go for hegemon. We have a displaced workforce - much like the run up to WW1. Climate change may well bring even greater hardship.

Summer lasted all of about 1.5 generations, I hope my children will be tough so that they have the resilience to face whatever the world throws at them and pick themselves up and always move forwards when they navigate the world we leave behind for them.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by vincebowdren »

isk517 wrote: post #65
shadowgovt wrote: post #33

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It varies from court to court, but in general the judge has the responsibility of evaluating whether public interest outweighs rights to privacy for any given piece of recorded court information. I'd imagine it is an ethical issue, but the judge has the authority to evaluate the ethics and reach a decision.

I would imagine it is harder for the judge to benefit from sharing recordings, where a lawyer could use a release recording to promote their practice or attempt to sway public option in the event of a mistrial.

Indeed. The adversarial court system means that every lawyer involved is on one side or the other; the judge is both neutral and in charge overall, so it makes sense for the judge to make that decision.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by yomly »

tclancy wrote: post #172
yomly wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess the two values I see are having an extra level in your varieties of punishment - a "nuclear option" perhaps. The other is softer - I am curious how normalising pain may positively benefit a developing child. Could it build toughness? Might my child be more likely to stand up to a bully? From a self defence perspective, a big part of personal development is overcoming aversion to pain - eg not flinching in box…

That sounds really sad to me. >I am curious how normalising pain may positively benefit a developing child I feel like this is a story we were handed in prior generations (for context, I am 45) where people (specifically men) need to be "tough" but I don't think anyone really defined what that meant or why.

Just to augment my reply with a more personal and positive note on toughness. As a kid I was super active, doing lots of physical sports and training very hard.

By the time I was 18 I had that reckless abandon and confidence that only an 18 year old can have - that feeling of invincibility and that belief that anything is possible.

Fast forward 10 years later after years of working super hard and not doing much exercise and accruing postural issues, I went skiing and felt very vulnerable and mortal - a stark shift from the me of 10 years prior!

When I hit my 30s I made reacquiring that fitness again and started exercising super hard. Like 10-15 hours a week of intense physical training. To my surprise, I actually started to feel almost like an 18 year old again. I couldn't believe my subconscious outlook on life could be so malleable.

What does this have to do with hitting kids and toughness? I've digressed a bit - I guess having some of that stoic grit is worth developing in children but I am undecided whether hitting children builds it in them.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by fennecfoxen »

perl4ever wrote: post #136
fennecfoxen wrote: post #76

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Well, my guess is you're trying to defend "occasional physical punishment on rare occasions, such as when a child has done something life-endangering." What this specifically reveals is some level of naïve obliviousness to the extant patterns of violence, both physical and emotional, which abusive parents apply to their kids in practice, and the emotional harms that many children will suffer under such disciplinary r…

>my guess is you're trying to defend "occasional physical punishment on rare occasions, such as when a child has done something life-endangering." I mean, you can let someone touch a hot stove, or not. Is letting them learn for themselves abusive? I believe that was how I learned that specific lesson, not by being hit when I reached. On the other hand, there are things that you can't let someone learn for themselves…

yeah! now you're doubling down on this defense, while the realities of problematic abuse justified with the same language continue in the background unabated

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by perl4ever »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #176
perl4ever wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>my guess is you're trying to defend "occasional physical punishment on rare occasions, such as when a child has done something life-endangering." I mean, you can let someone touch a hot stove, or not. Is letting them learn for themselves abusive? I believe that was how I learned that specific lesson, not by being hit when I reached. On the other hand, there are things that you can't let someone learn for themselves…

yeah! now you're doubling down on this defense, while the realities of problematic abuse justified with the same language continue in the background unabated

I hope you're not confusing me with another commenter.

I provided a few things that I thought were in kind of a gray area, in order that you might clarify how you categorize them and how you think such situations could be avoided or handled differently.

It seems to me that my comment was manifestly a combination of factual claims and questions about your beliefs, not justifications of anything.

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