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The Winners of Remote Work

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Re: The Winners of Remote Work

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Time zone. For whatever reason, and not for lack of looking, there aren't really development ecosystems like India/Pakistan/Estonia/Slovakia/... in south and central america.

I’m a developer located in Latin America, I’ve worked for several clients and I know tons of companies that outsource work from here. What do you think is missing? I sincerely would like to know the perception from the other side.

Sorry for the delay. I would say it's a variety of things.

One, a lot of what makes India and Pakistan work, or Slovakia, are that there are class natives who can navigate the vetting process. This is huge and there are tons of Indians or Chinese in the valley who can fill this role but who are themselves demonstrated top-tier talent, not just people selling outsourced teams of unknown quality.

Second, English. English is simply an absolute requirement and one of the things that absolutely kills non-US teams is a lack of English skills. Chinese teams have a lot of problems here and it gets even worse elsewhere. Eastern European teams (Poland, Estonia, Solvakia, ...) tend to have competent technical leads (not salesguys) with solid english skills even if the average is zero. I deal with a ton of people who have marginal English skills, but there's a very steep ramp between Bangalore, Chennai, ... and then other options.

Third, and importantly, the populations are large enough that they can provide outsourced work at scale - I'm not talking huge numbers, I'm talking managing a team size of 30-40 people even with departures, etc.

Fourth, there's an honest question of demonstrated competence (or demonstrated good-enough mediocrity, more often than not).

Fifth, there's work culture. I know Indian, Chinese, and eastern european work culture. I know what to expect and there's basically been a selection process at work selecting outsourcing destinations based on what actually works.

I'm probably starting something in a few months. I'd much rather outsource to a common time zone with Pacific or at least eastern time. I wish I could find a way.

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Anecdote is the word to use here. It's a lovely word. By contrast, anecdata isn't a word at all, and has nothing to do with 'data' anyway. I have a similar pet-peeve with 'guesstimate'. It's just an estimate. It would scratch a big itch of mine if everyone just used plain words.

> anecdata isn’t a word at all The OED would disagree with you there, and is a somewhat more authoritative source. https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/82246007

Oxford recognises guesstimate too! Drat.

Re: The Winners of Remote Work

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> They do it because if you won't accept a 20% cut to work out in the sticks then there are plenty of other good people who will. So the options are: 1. Convince all of the other good people that they can and should demand more. 2. Convince your bosses that you are indispensable.

3. Quit because you don't want to work for a company that thinks so little of you.

Quit work you mean? Because I can tell you now that the executives and owners of big companies don't really think about you as an individual at all.

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It's got to be clickbait. If there are winners, then how many workers are losing by working remotely? It seems obvious that the vast majority of people win big by not being forced to commute into a full day at an office where they would rather not be.

how many workers are losing by working remotely I think the big losers are the service workers that provided services for all of those office employees: coffee shop workers, restaurants, drycleaners, caterers that provided employee lunches, cleaning people, etc. A Starbucks, a drycleaner and 2 or 3 restaurants that were in my former office building have shut down permanently. My company stopped stocking snacks and ca…

Going out of business isn't the same as losing at working from home. Going out of business is usually not working.

Otherwise this article would just be the fairly obvious statement that people who kept their jobs are "winners" over those who lost their jobs.

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You'll have to ask the Google execs https://www.businessinsider.com/google-exec-reportedly-worki... https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/08/06/google-...

So are these special cases or are the winners of remote work all fleeing to New Zealand? Larry Page's son was transported by medavac to a hospital there. He's able to stay due to a visa with the requirement of a $7 million investment.

Then you answered your own question about the type of visas you can get.

Re: The Winners of Remote Work

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I’m a developer located in Latin America, I’ve worked for several clients and I know tons of companies that outsource work from here. What do you think is missing? I sincerely would like to know the perception from the other side.

Sorry for the delay. I would say it's a variety of things. One, a lot of what makes India and Pakistan work, or Slovakia, are that there are class natives who can navigate the vetting process. This is huge and there are tons of Indians or Chinese in the valley who can fill this role but who are themselves demonstrated top-tier talent, not just people selling outsourced teams of unknown quality. Second, English. Engli…

Thank you for taking the time to answer. It’s insightful to get to know the perspective from the other side.

If it helps, I can recommend you to take a look at https://nearsoft.com/ it’s a Mexican company, I personally know very talented people working there. They have high standards during interviews, they seem to really care about who they hire (disclaimer, I don’t work there).

Also, even though Costa Rica is a small country they have an interesting growing IT industry, if you haven’t already, you should check it out. I’ve met several great Costa Rican developers.

I hope you find what you’re looking for! :)

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