A new way to detect ‘deepfake’ picture editing

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Post by etiam » Fri, Sep 03, 2021, 7:12 AM UTC

A new way to detect ‘deepfake’ picture editing
lightbluetouchpaper.org

Re: A new way to detect ‘deepfake’ picture editing

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Post by quotemstr » Fri, Sep 03, 2021, 7:42 AM UTC

Isn't literally every deepfake detection technique just an oracle that you can use to train a better deepfake creator?

Re: A new way to detect ‘deepfake’ picture editing

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Post by drclau » Fri, Sep 03, 2021, 7:47 AM UTC

quotemstr wrote: post #2

Isn't literally every deepfake detection technique just an oracle that you can use to train a better deepfake creator?

At some point in the future, AI will make better humans than naturally occurring humans.

Re: A new way to detect ‘deepfake’ picture editing

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Post by XorNot » Fri, Sep 03, 2021, 7:50 AM UTC

drclau wrote: post #3

quotemstr wrote: post #2

Isn't literally every deepfake detection technique just an oracle that you can use to train a better deepfake creator?

At some point in the future, AI will make better humans than naturally occurring humans.

The built in "touch up my appearance" feature in my phone, various video chat software etc. means that future is already here [1].

[1] https://mothership.sg/2021/03/japanese-biker-actually-man/

Re: A new way to detect ‘deepfake’ picture editing

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Post by jimmySixDOF » Fri, Sep 03, 2021, 7:55 AM UTC

quotemstr wrote: post #2

Isn't literally every deepfake detection technique just an oracle that you can use to train a better deepfake creator?

I know. It's like we are going to need reverse Zero Days after a while. As soon as they publish it becomes the old new way to detect Deepfakes.

Re: A new way to detect ‘deepfake’ picture editing

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Post by deepsun » Fri, Sep 03, 2021, 7:57 AM UTC

drclau wrote: post #3

quotemstr wrote: post #2

Isn't literally every deepfake detection technique just an oracle that you can use to train a better deepfake creator?

At some point in the future, AI will make better humans than naturally occurring humans.

Friedrich Nietzsche called that "Superhuman", or "Übermensch".

Re: A new way to detect ‘deepfake’ picture editing

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Post by jtsiskin » Fri, Sep 03, 2021, 8:06 AM UTC

quotemstr wrote: post #2

Isn't literally every deepfake detection technique just an oracle that you can use to train a better deepfake creator?

Especially if it’s differentiable

Re: A new way to detect ‘deepfake’ picture editing

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Post by jart » Fri, Sep 03, 2021, 8:07 AM UTC

deepsun wrote: post #6

drclau wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point in the future, AI will make better humans than naturally occurring humans.

Friedrich Nietzsche called that "Superhuman", or "Übermensch".

And that we're just a tightrope stretched over the abyss from the monkey until ai.

Re: A new way to detect ‘deepfake’ picture editing

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Post by water8 » Fri, Sep 03, 2021, 8:23 AM UTC

jimmySixDOF wrote: post #5

quotemstr wrote: post #2

Isn't literally every deepfake detection technique just an oracle that you can use to train a better deepfake creator?

I know. It's like we are going to need reverse Zero Days after a while. As soon as they publish it becomes the old new way to detect Deepfakes.

-1 days

Re: A new way to detect ‘deepfake’ picture editing

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Post by lmilcin » Fri, Sep 03, 2021, 8:28 AM UTC

> An image owner can modify their image in subtle ways which are not themselves very visible, but will sabotage any attempt to inpaint it by adding visible information determined in advance by the markpainter.

Hmm... so if I ask it to add an apple to the scene it just looks for an apple and says "yep, found an apple".

That is not an algorithm to detect fakes, it is an algorithm to detect predetermined edits.

Steganography/watermarking has been not only known but used for practical purposes for a long time.