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Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by crazy_horse »

SquishyPanda23 wrote: post #31
flaque wrote: post #27

It’s worth noting that, even if you think shaming encourages people to get vaccinated, these stories are still bad because they are almost never seen by the people who you’re trying to shame. Unvaccinated people don’t like and share stories about unvaccinated people having a tube shoved down their throat and then dying alone in a hospital. The more outrageous the irony, the less it actually appeals to someone who has…

None of the reasons you listed are reasonable reasons for people to not get vaccinated.

Humans often aren't reasonable, but two things they respond poorly to are hate and shame.

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by mioasndo »

emilsedgh wrote: post #17
eventreduce wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people do not "deserve" bed space because most sickness is selfmade. People smoke, drink and eat too much, so they all deserve to die?

In smoking, drinking, eating too much, there are pleasures. Thus, making it difficult for people to stop. Stopping them requires fighting real urges. That's why they deserve sympathy. In not getting vaccinated there's no pleasure. Only stupidity and ignorance.

I'm not sure what your argument is? That pleasure is what determines if something is ok to do? People have reasons for not taking a vaccine the same way people have reasons for drinking. They have their own reasons, it is their choice.

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by crazy_horse »

Spellman wrote: post #38
flaque wrote: post #27

It’s worth noting that, even if you think shaming encourages people to get vaccinated, these stories are still bad because they are almost never seen by the people who you’re trying to shame. Unvaccinated people don’t like and share stories about unvaccinated people having a tube shoved down their throat and then dying alone in a hospital. The more outrageous the irony, the less it actually appeals to someone who has…

I'm not so sure. All of my friends who aren't getting the vaccine and vocal about it are pushing some pretty out there reasons. It may have started from relatively reasonable reasons, but it has morphed into an especially vitrolic ideology and in-group signaling rather quickly. Also, a lot of polls show there is a sticky group of people who will never get it and that population hasn't changed much over time. So at th…

That's a huge part of this, a lot of the shaming is performative. It's less about the person and more about signaling.

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by bartread »

otterley wrote: post #18

Stop telling people to stop doing things. It's very rude. Explain to us why the behavior is bad, instead.

I'd also add to this, get to the point quicker. I got really bored with this article about three paragraphs in. You want to persuade me? Start by not wasting my attention.

I'm sick and tired of people telling me what to do under virtually all everyday circumstances, and especially so when the rationale is faulty (or at least up for debate). It gets even more wearing when they take a long time about it or use an unnecessarily large quantity of words.

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by _3u10 »

siod wrote: post #34

People are angry. They see vaccine refusers as prolonging the pandemic and putting their loved ones/everyone at risk for nothing.

Given that it spreads faster amongst the unvaccinated it’s the vaccines that are prolonging it.

The entire flatten the curve narrative is about making it last as long as possible.

With deltas R value of 5 to 8 it could be over by Christmas even with vaccines and masks.

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by jzoch »

kmonsen wrote: post #26
Legion wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You overeating doesn't give everyone else around you diabetes. I'm never going to buy the attempts to equate getting a personal preventable illness with willful and malicious disregard of the health of everyone surrounding you. We're pretty understanding of a person who struggles with alcoholism. We're a whole lot less understanding when they choose to get behind the wheel.

Riding a motorbike? Does nothing for anyone that cannot be done in a safer way but kills people and sometimes others. Drinking alcohol? I think making fun of someone dying is way too harsh. All that being said I think vaccine certificates should be introduced with some ways of testing out for people that cannot take the vaccine.

Its culturally acceptable to shame drunk drivers, smokers (in public spaces), and more. Im not necessarily agreeing we should but it certainly follows that shaming people for endangering others re: vaccines is in line with modern cultural norms.

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by cercatrova »

It is not my problem if people who are unvaccinated would rather inject horse deworming paste than take a vaccine. They suffer the consequences of their actions and they Darwin themselves out of existence.

I feel no sympathy for these people. In fact, I feel less than zero sympathy, because they take up space in hospitals for people that do truly need it, such as children, immunocompromised, or those otherwise unable to take the vaccine. So, I will shame away.

For those saying that many of these people come from an understandable place, I cannot agree. If you read the posts on r/HermanCainAward, most of the people shown are openly mocking the vaccine, that it's a "liberal creation" and it is implied that they are not taking it merely due to it being pushed by the government, that they do not want their "freedoms" (to die or take medicine for animals, I presume) being "infringed."

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by SquishyPanda23 »

Unvaccinated people are basically drunk drivers who won't shut up about their right to drive drunk.

Mocking their deaths won't convince them to become reasonable, but you can't blame people for feeling schadenfreude.

Re: Stop Death Shaming

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Post by beervirus »

> Mocking the unvaccinated dead does not save lives.

Sometimes it does. I personally know one person who finally got vaccinated exactly because of these stories—and because of the mockery.

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