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Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by AnssiH »

whoknowswhat11 wrote: post #209
AnssiH wrote: post #78

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> It's clear to everyone and their mothers that Amazon is abusing the process. Not to me. SpaceX certainly claims so, but they are hardly impartial and I'm not familiar enough with FCC regs to make that judgement myself.

Wow - HN folks just go for this garbage? Lots of good quotes from the pushback " In fact, Amazon has not had a single meeting with the Commission this year about how it intends to resolve the Commission’s interference or safety concerns, but it has had 15 meetings in that same span just about SpaceX. While Amazon has waited 15 months to explain how its system works, it has lodged objections to SpaceX on average about…

Personally I don't believe the (non-)progress Amazon's plans have any relevance with whether their complaints about SpaceX are abusive. "Amazon files more complaints than SpaceX" is similarly irrelevant.

I consider the complaints abusive only if they are entirely without merit and are just taking FCC's time for nothing (which they might still be - but just SpaceX saying so is not enough for me).

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Post by krsdcbl »

wiz21c wrote: post #230
sumedh wrote: post #217

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Its not bonkers if you have a ruthless win at all costs strategy. You dont become the richest man in the world by being nice.

Ergo being not nice is necessary to success. What a wonderful world.

not for success. But for domination

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Post by amusedcyclist »

avaldes wrote: post #250
amusedcyclist wrote: post #194

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That is way too generous to Elon, whos more of a celebrity for nerds than a real boundary pusher. Nothing hes done has truly moved the needle on our capabilities. I respect that he had the vision + charisma to actually make electric vehicles popular but nothing he's created comes to the all conquering giant that Amazon is. Amazon has also changed the lives of basically everyone in the developed world, which definitel…

> Amazon has also changed the lives of basically everyone in the developed world, which definitely cannot be said of How so? This is way too generous to Amazon. Buying things online faster is not a life changing feat. Neither are home assistants like Echo or Alexa. Maybe I'm missing something.

I'd argue that buying things online with no friction is pretty life changing. Lots of people barely go to stores anymore.I don't use an Alexa, but for people who do I think its a pretty big shift in their lives. This is not even to mention AWS which has been a huge factor in the creation of the modern internet. Also for better or worse Amazon controls the economies of many small exurban towns in various parts of the US. Not all of its impact has been positive of course, but the impact is objectively enormous. I would say after Google, its the most impactful of the FAANGS

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Post by admax88qqq »

shaklee3 wrote: post #195
admax88qqq wrote: post #133

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> But cars are only responsible for a tiny fraction of CO2 Road vehicles account for 5% of global CO2 emissions. That's not a tiny fraction IMO. It's not huge, but road transportation alone (not counting shipping) account for 5X as much CO2 aviation. https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-from-transport

Considering teslas are only sold in a few countries, and by far mostly in the USA, that number is likely more like 0.1%

Can't get from 0% to 5% without first hitting 0.1%

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Post by admax88qqq »

hutzlibu wrote: post #140
admax88qqq wrote: post #133

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> But cars are only responsible for a tiny fraction of CO2 Road vehicles account for 5% of global CO2 emissions. That's not a tiny fraction IMO. It's not huge, but road transportation alone (not counting shipping) account for 5X as much CO2 aviation. https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-from-transport

In the context of the statement, ("sole reason..") I call it tiny. I mean cars are very visible, so any movement there helps with the public image that things can change. But he still was only one player in a comparitivly small segment, when green technology is so much bigger than just "cars". And "green cars" was and is much more than just "Tesla".

Does he deserve credit for all green technologies? Certainly not, but its disingenuous to say that cars account for a "tiny fraction" of CO2.

Before Tesla, "green cars" were basically hybrids like the Prius. Tesla legitimized purely electric cars as an actual alternative.

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Post by joquarky »

amarant wrote: post #205
lanevorockz wrote: post #188

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We got used to companies abusing processes and not being punished. Just look at how all Big Tech companies systematically break laws and happily pays the fines for these crimes.

But if they pay the fine, haven't they been punished? Whether punishment was sufficient is a different question.

When they look at fines as just the cost of doing business, we are failing to resolve the problem.

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Post by panick21 »

olivierduval wrote: post #226
panick21 wrote: post #120

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> Does the world need it ? Does the world even ask for it ? Yes > Sure, I like internet... but only WHERE and WHEN I want to, not anytime and everywhere ! Turn of your phone.

Sorry, I meant: is it their top priority ?

Top priority compared to water, no of course not.

But if we have a commercially viable solution that solve a number of problems, why not do it?

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Post by whoknowswhat11 »

AnssiH wrote: post #261
whoknowswhat11 wrote: post #209

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Wow - HN folks just go for this garbage? Lots of good quotes from the pushback " In fact, Amazon has not had a single meeting with the Commission this year about how it intends to resolve the Commission’s interference or safety concerns, but it has had 15 meetings in that same span just about SpaceX. While Amazon has waited 15 months to explain how its system works, it has lodged objections to SpaceX on average about…

Personally I don't believe the (non-)progress Amazon's plans have any relevance with whether their complaints about SpaceX are abusive. "Amazon files more complaints than SpaceX" is similarly irrelevant. I consider the complaints abusive only if they are entirely without merit and are just taking FCC's time for nothing (which they might still be - but just SpaceX saying so is not enough for me).

You realize the blue origin complaints are that SpaceX plans are too "speculative"?

The blue origin plans as an example have no clarity on so many key elements its not even funny - but SpaceX is not protesting them saying they are speculative.

There are many other filings also very speculative. Or that haven't even done debris mitigation work (they use a non US home state to try and avoid the work).

No fuss for any of these, but they are out of the woodwork if SpaceX does anything.

The mind boggling hypocrisy of it all is crazy. They have time to file 200 page complaints, bring big teams to complain. They expect us to believe they haven't evaluated the SpaceX approach before doing their own designs (one complaint, blue origin, despite tons of money, claims they can't / don't look at the spaceX designs).

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Post by Lapsed »

olivierduval wrote: post #216
Lapsed wrote: post #94

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You can't see starlink satellites with the naked eye once they are in their operational orbit. I'm sure many people find it useful to be able to attend school: https://www.pcmag.com/news/native-american-tribe-gets-early-...

So what is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgysWWwESfU&t=2s ? And it's only with 700 satellites around the world right now...

This is shortly after launch while the satellites are still tumbling. Within a few days they align themselves so that their sunshields reduce their brightness and over the next few months they will raise them selves to their operational orbit.
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