Tesla is ordered to turn over Autopilot data to a federal safety agency

Post by leesec » Thu, Sep 02, 2021, 1:47 PM UTC

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #19

capableweb wrote: post #6

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> 12 crashes into vehicles with flashing lights on them doesn't sound like great success from Autopilot, gonna be honest. I'm sorry, but how can you form an opinion so quickly? 12 crashes out of what? Any number? 12 crashes out of 10000000 scenarios sound like a pretty good record, while 12 crashes out of 15 scenarios indeed doesn't sound like a great success. But what information do you have that the rest of us does…

I still remember the days when the SciFi of the day sold robotic drivers as "they don't get tired, they don't make mistakes, they are relentless in their pursuit". Instead of that, we got robots that are apparently unable to avoid crashing into large vehicles with flashing lights. Sometimes. As usual, the future never ceases to disappoint me.

Post by Gravityloss » Thu, Sep 02, 2021, 1:49 PM UTC

leesec wrote: post #21

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #19

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I still remember the days when the SciFi of the day sold robotic drivers as "they don't get tired, they don't make mistakes, they are relentless in their pursuit". Instead of that, we got robots that are apparently unable to avoid crashing into large vehicles with flashing lights. Sometimes. As usual, the future never ceases to disappoint me.

Well if you're basing your expectations of reality on SciFi books than I expect you will be dissapointed quite often.

Post by tyfon » Thu, Sep 02, 2021, 1:51 PM UTC

meepmorp wrote: post #10

brianwawok wrote: post #3

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The driver is responsible for stopping the car. You literally agree to it when you enable AP. People are too comfortable and not paying attention.

> The driver is responsible for stopping the car. You literally agree to it when you enable AP. People are too comfortable and not paying attention. Autopilot encourages people to not pay as much attention while driving, until a critical situation comes up at which point they're expected to be fully in control. That's a design flaw that isn't fixed with a liability shifting "Agree" button.

Post by DennisP » Thu, Sep 02, 2021, 1:53 PM UTC

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #19

capableweb wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 12 crashes into vehicles with flashing lights on them doesn't sound like great success from Autopilot, gonna be honest. I'm sorry, but how can you form an opinion so quickly? 12 crashes out of what? Any number? 12 crashes out of 10000000 scenarios sound like a pretty good record, while 12 crashes out of 15 scenarios indeed doesn't sound like a great success. But what information do you have that the rest of us does…

I still remember the days when the SciFi of the day sold robotic drivers as "they don't get tired, they don't make mistakes, they are relentless in their pursuit". Instead of that, we got robots that are apparently unable to avoid crashing into large vehicles with flashing lights. Sometimes. As usual, the future never ceases to disappoint me.

Post by bloqs » Thu, Sep 02, 2021, 1:57 PM UTC

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #19

capableweb wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 12 crashes into vehicles with flashing lights on them doesn't sound like great success from Autopilot, gonna be honest. I'm sorry, but how can you form an opinion so quickly? 12 crashes out of what? Any number? 12 crashes out of 10000000 scenarios sound like a pretty good record, while 12 crashes out of 15 scenarios indeed doesn't sound like a great success. But what information do you have that the rest of us does…

I still remember the days when the SciFi of the day sold robotic drivers as "they don't get tired, they don't make mistakes, they are relentless in their pursuit". Instead of that, we got robots that are apparently unable to avoid crashing into large vehicles with flashing lights. Sometimes. As usual, the future never ceases to disappoint me.